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    I’m pretty sure we can’t even black start the national grid, because it depends on so much other infrastruture that itself requires the electrical grid to be online.

    That’s part of the reason why we trade electricity with other nations. I imagine in particular that France’s nuclear reactors would be very important in stabalising the voltage on the national grid if this kind of apocalyptic scenario ever happened.

    #1139892

    That is all very naive Fishy.

    Our rail network was built to transport freight not people. Few in the UK who aren’t within 20 miles of railway station. The system was mostly updated to electric over the last 40 years too. In an emergency main stations will be used for food distribution.

    There wouldn’t be any food to distribute without imports, the UK doesn’t have enough land to feed 80 million people. Even if we somehow magically summoned more land into existance, we would still have to import chemicals to fertalise the land, pesticides, and machinery to farm the crops.

    Ambulance’s and fire engines have there own reserves of fuel.

    Fire engines aren’t much use without a supply of water. There aren’t very many lakes in the middle of cities (where most people live). The water supply depends on all kinds of other infrastructure to function at it’s current capacity. You can’t just shut them down.

    If we just cut out none essential goods our roads would empty. Lets say you don’t have a car for example: No car mechanics. No break down services. No fuel stations. No car insurant. No car manufacturing. No demand for materials to built or repair them. Less road maintenance.

    Theres pretty much no such thing as a non-essential good.

    You spoke earlier about ambulences and fire engines, how are these able to run without mechanics or parts to maintain and repair them? :wacko:

    Government grants towards steam railways weren’t hand out cause some MP’s like trains. They can be put back into service if necessity.

    How many people are alive that know how to operate and maintain steam trains?

    Even if for some reason it was a good idea to use steam trains (I have no idea why you would use them over diesel???), they aren’t magical. They need water and coal to run.

    It would be illegal to increase coal production under th Paris Accords, but even if we ignored that (which the government wouldn’t do) then you can’t mine anything without machinery. You aren’t going to convince modern 20 year olds to go into a mine with a pickaxe, this just won’t happen.

    And while these day’s we don’t give an nuclear attack a second thought…. the plans made were the corner stone of our covid 19 response.

    Probably because it would destroy so much infrastructure that we would have to rebuild everything from scratch anyway. Theres not much point.

     

    #1139884

    Do you need a Land Rover to live?

    Im sure land rovers probably have some critical uses somewhere in forestry or agriculture, but JLR is just one example, all car makers are running a limited production due to shortages.

    Do we need cars to live?

    In the modern world, yes.

    We need cars to get to work, lorries and vans to transport goods, ambulences to take people to the hospital, ect.

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    #1139848

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9499221/Jaguar-Land-Rover-suspends-work-British-car-factories-world-computer-chip-shortage.html

    This Daily Mail article gets the reason wrong, but it proves that production has been suspended.

    Silicon is only made in a few factories, mostly in Taiwan, that all operate at 100% capacity.

    The car industry underestimated demand for new cars so they canceled their orders with TSMC, so the production capacity was sold to other customers (mostly chips for cryptocurrency mining and games consoles).

    The car makers have now exhausted what small stockpiles they had, and have found that they can’t order any new chips because TSMC and Samsung don’t have any capacity spare, having sold the space to customers that don’t cancel orders.

    This is something I have been following closely because the sillicon shortage is causing issues for my company also.

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    #1139844

    More or less everything is still reliant on just in time manufacturing.

    For example, Jaguar Land Rover has shut down most of its car production due to the global silicon shortage, which is disrupting supply chains in nearly every industry in every country.

    People seem to keep demanding sources, so heres one I guess :unsure:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9499221/Jaguar-Land-Rover-suspends-work-British-car-factories-world-computer-chip-shortage.html

    #1139837

    The UK can go 1 to 2 years without any manufacturing or imports.

    Lol. :wacko:

    #1139823

    And due to changing environment and weather conditions, there’s large stocks of materials in storage for use at short notice. As for the computers, phones and more… well I hate to say this but there not really needed. There a time saver and nothing more. A man walking along the river bank can spot issues and then get on his cycle and peddle down to the yard.

    You missed the point again… :scratch:

    #1139817

    That is true to a point. Most of the time we’re pushing shingle back and repairing groins. On rivers its mostly reinforcement work and channel clearing.

    We don’t use that much stuff, but it can be labour intensive.

    That’s somewhat of a narrow view. No matter how much labour you put in you can’t repair anything without any tools or materials. These need concrete, wood, steel, petrol, ect.

    The manufacturing of these things then depends on many other things, which depend on other things. The whole ecconomy is integrated, you can’t remove any individual part of it without breaking everything else.

    E.g. The production of concrete requires water, which requires computer systems that monitor water quality, which require coders, which require a call center to tell them that there is a problem, which requires telephones, which require telecom engineers, who require food, which requires farmers, who require vets, who require drugs, who require production of various chemicals, ect.

    #1139813

    From my own view point not repairing sea defences or carrying out gas checks puts lives and homes at risk. The winter storms didnt stop and nor did we.

    The whole concept of lockdowns and key workers was deeply flawed from the beginning.

    The ecconomy is very complex and tightly integrated, sea defenses can’t be repaired without a whole host of other products and services in their supply chains.

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