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Well, it may have been a sacred symbol to the ancient greeks, but is it worth the money to carry it all round the world in this day and age?
Pats… your interpretation of events has been shown to be flawed. But there is no point my saying anything, you will just carry on and on and on.
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I don’t think it is right to bring someone else into this row, someone who hasn’t posted on the boards for a very long time, and doesn’t use the site anymore as far as I know. They are not here to defend themselves, so I say this on their behalf.
why mims? you were quite happy to pass on gossip about her to fasty in msn 3 yrs ago. remember how she sobbed down the phone to you after meeting fasty and him making it quite clear he wasnt interested in seeing her again. you and kevin should really get your heads together b4 bringing other users names into your vendatta against me n fasty after all.you acuse me and fast ofton enough of discussing others. :roll:
You really are a nasty person aren’t you Pats. Was there any need for any of that? It all happened over 3 years ago …. you have so lost track of what is really important you are prepared to stoop to any level to score a point. And I don’t have a vendetta against you or fast. I suspect it is the other way round. Where have I ever made any personal comments about either of you? I didn’t bring up her name, and I said what I said because I disagreed with the use of her name.
Why you are continuing with all this nonsense is beyond me. Its a chat room. I don’t know you, you don’t know me. I don’t give a fig about either you or fastcars. I just come here for some R & R.
You will at some point, I hope, look back at all of this, and shudder at what you have become.
I thought so Sword, but am trying to find out.
Oh, I’ve just found out that in fact, the Torch was introduced by Hitler at the 1936 Berlin games, and actually has nothing to do with the Ancient Greeks. Well, this is just one thought on its origins anyway…
The custom of lighting the flame at ancient Olympia and relaying the torch to the modern Olympic stadium is also a legacy of the Berlin games, although many wrongly think it derives from the ancient Olympics. Carl Diem, organizer of the 1936 Olympics, seeking to glamorize them with an ancient aura, staged the first lighting of the Olympic flame, now a hallowed ritual in which thousands delight. The first Olympic torches were made by the Krupp Company, better known for providing weapons for two world wars. The association of the Olympic torch with peace came later, as the flame arrived at more peaceful venues.
So it is a Nazi symbol…. how apt…..I should have put the rolling eye emoticon in there.
No it wasn’t the messenger of the gods.. it was just a man carrying a message sunny, but he ran a feck of a long way, bless him.
Fire was sacred to the ancient Greeks, and I think it was to do with a messenger who ran a long way carrying a torch …. something like that Sunny. They used to have flame burning all the time when they held the Games in Ancient Greece.
All of those issues are now being openly discussed though, that isn’t a bad thing. The committee must have been aware of all of those issues when they agreed to the Games being held in China in the first place. They need to look more closely at the countries who want to host the games. Tell them to clean up their act before allowing them to put themselves forward perhaps.
It is either very complicated or very simple, depending on your perspective.
I do think that using the Olympic games to highlight political issues is acceptable and actually carries a lot of weight.
When countries have boycotted the games, it has actually helped result in major changes.
I would have just thrown the torch in the Thames I think, and sod it…. its a tradition, I know, but a daft one in my opinion.
They were allowed to protest I think, but the police had to “protect” a burning flame!
Stupid.
