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@wordsworth60 wrote:
If she has lost relatives in 9/11 or 7/11 then she might be interested in spending the odd million catching the people who were actually behind making it happen and making sure any convictions stick when they come to court.
Pursuing a prosecution based on insufficient evidence or evidence gained by applying the same values as terrorists is insulting to their victims and makes condemnation of terrorism hypocritical.
The right to fair trial, if recognised during the investigative process, actually makes it more likely that the guilty are punished and not sent away laughing while the innocent are punished.
While I find Qatada’s view abhorrent and a test to my belief in free speech, I would really like to know that the idea that he was Bin Laden’s Man in Europe is more than just rhetoric on either side.
I’m not sure why someone who openly supports human rights shouldn’t be on Question Time, at least it gives her opponents a chance to demonstrate that their views bear examination.
It’s actually been mentioned by other people in the media that she appears an awful lot on Question Time so much so somewhat of an industry joke.
@mrs_teapot wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
@terry wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
Human Rights in one form of another pre-dates the last Labour govt by hundreds of years..
Qatada owes his liberty to the laws introduced by Labour. It’s going to cost the taxpayer £5 million to monitor him. What a waste of money.
I’m not condoning him but:
“On the question of why the Palestinian-born Jordanian had never been prosecuted in the UK, Lib Dem peer Lord Macdonald – director of public prosecutions from 2003 to 2008 – told BBC News he had never been shown any evidence to support a criminal prosecution.”
The guy has been in prison since 2002 so no evidence in 5 years?
From BBC Website
I agree with you on that Panda, I know the guy has preached religious justification for violence especially against Christians but does that justify his 5 years in prison?
I think keeping him incarcerated makes him a martyr….and gives his teachings more credence… I’m not sure what the solution is with this guy…. it would be lovely to ship him off to Jordan but I think torture would be used….. but should we be bothered if it is?
I agree with your points about martyr etc.
Why can’t he be tried in this country? If the Jordanians have evidence against him why don’t they produce it?
Surely that would resolve the matter?
Thank you to all for my birthday wishes and pics. :P
@jen_jen wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
Was it racism or xenophobia?
I see xenophobia as a form of racism…
I don’t. I think it is quite natural for people brought up in one culture to have a fear of another, unfamiliar culture even if that fear does seem irrational. It doesn’t mean they are racist.
For instance, in Africa there are still some cannibalistic tribes. If I expressed my fear of them by saying, “I’m not going there, they might eat me,” am I being racist?
I don’t think so. It’s nothing to do with their race, it’s their culture that scares me.
@terry wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
Human Rights in one form of another pre-dates the last Labour govt by hundreds of years..
Qatada owes his liberty to the laws introduced by Labour. It’s going to cost the taxpayer £5 million to monitor him. What a waste of money.
I’m not condoning him but:
“On the question of why the Palestinian-born Jordanian had never been prosecuted in the UK, Lib Dem peer Lord Macdonald – director of public prosecutions from 2003 to 2008 – told BBC News he had never been shown any evidence to support a criminal prosecution.”
The guy has been in prison since 2002 so no evidence in 5 years?
From BBC Website
@terry wrote:
@kent f OBE wrote:
Happy Diwali to everyone and anyone who celebrates this festival
I might google it one day to find out what it is. Or I may not.
It’s the Hindu Festival of Lights:
@jen_jen wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
@jen_jen wrote:
A couple of years ago a local business man made a generous offer to the school that his children go to. He offered a £10 WHSmith book voucher to go into the school bags of each child joining the school that year…there was one stipulation, he and his wife were to put the book vouchers into the bags themselves along with a personal note. The school agreed. Fortunately one of the teachers had a little niggle and checked the bags, only to find that vouchers were only put into the bags of the white children who didn’t have foreign-sounding names and that none of the non-white children had a voucher. They had to quickly go and buy vouchers for the bags of the excluded children so that there wasn’t an issue, which meant dipping into school funds for an unplanned expenditure. I said that I would have removed all the vouchers and returned them to him saying “thank you but it’s for all of the children or none of them” but he does such a lot of good work for the school that they didn’t want to upset him and lose future goodwill.
To me that is racism but there has been no verbal or physical abuse…?
He’s demonstrated his racism physically.
Physically to me can mean writing offensive slogans on a wall, not necessarily violence.
But he hasn’t abused anyone.
I consider it to be racism by exclusion, however a friend (playing devil’s advocate) argued that he hasn’t actually done anything against anyone, he has just done something for someone, something that he didn’t have to do so should be appreciated by those that did receive a voucher. I countered that this was discrimination based on race and was therefore racism…my friend agreed but said that her argument was based on what one of the teachers had said to her :shock:
Was it racism or xenophobia?
From Wiki:
“Chakrabarti was appointed director of Liberty in 2003. As director, she has campaigned against what the pressure group sees as the”excessive” anti-terrorist measures that followed the 11 September 2001 attacks in the United States, such as the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 (ATCSA). The organisation is a prominent opponent of recent counter-terrorism legislation.”
I take it she didn’t lose any relatives in the 9/11 and 7/7 terrorist attacks then?
@jen_jen wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
@jen_jen wrote:
Dolcelatte, not as strong as stilton but easier to cook with…although I’m a bit of a cheese heathen at the moment and having a bit of a dalliance with Dairylea triangles :oops:
Do you lick the silver foil of the dairylea triangles to make sure you get all the cheese? :P
Nooooooooo…that would be depriving my cat of her Dairylea fix! I swear she knows the sound of the triangle being opened, she appears from nowhere and fixes me with that “feed me or I kill you” look…I daren’t lick the foil, that’s her job! :lol:
Cats can hear the sound of anything opening no matter how quietly you do it and they have a God given right to it as well because in their eyes, they are Gods.
One of my cats loves mushroom soup :shock:
@jen_jen wrote:
So racism is just about verbal or physical abuse?
So as long as I don’t say bad words or beat someone up because of their race, I’m not a racist regardless of what my views are?Anyone is entitled to their views – it is not against the law to hold those views – the BNP are evidence of that.
For me though, a racist is somone who goes a step further with physical or verbal abuse.
@jen_jen wrote:
A couple of years ago a local business man made a generous offer to the school that his children go to. He offered a £10 WHSmith book voucher to go into the school bags of each child joining the school that year…there was one stipulation, he and his wife were to put the book vouchers into the bags themselves along with a personal note. The school agreed. Fortunately one of the teachers had a little niggle and checked the bags, only to find that vouchers were only put into the bags of the white children who didn’t have foreign-sounding names and that none of the non-white children had a voucher. They had to quickly go and buy vouchers for the bags of the excluded children so that there wasn’t an issue, which meant dipping into school funds for an unplanned expenditure. I said that I would have removed all the vouchers and returned them to him saying “thank you but it’s for all of the children or none of them” but he does such a lot of good work for the school that they didn’t want to upset him and lose future goodwill.
To me that is racism but there has been no verbal or physical abuse…?
He’s demonstrated his racism physically.
Physically to me can mean writing offensive slogans on a wall, not necessarily violence.
