[ubermik]

But wasnt your point that YOU dont want to read it?

That point could be more easily applied by not doing so, whereas suggesting other people dont post on it steps outside the criteria for merely expressing a personal view as it seeks to influence other peoples views and actions

Theres a subtle but very distinct difference between asking people if they think the topic SHOULD be discussed and stating that YOU think it shouldnt be any longer

As for “but I was only stating my view” and? You posted the view on a discussion so obviously it will get responses and counter views as that is the nature of “duscussion” so to then get all defensive about those responses is a subtle way of saying “MY posts on the matter should just be accepted and not responded to” if you think about it which again brings me back to the point that IF you didnt want response to your view then rather than excercising it by posting that you dont want to read about a topic anymore surely just not actually reading it anymore is a better path to take?

You didnt actually answer my earlier question, when theres a thread you ALSO dont want to read like one about stamp collecting, football, gaul stone operations or any topic you dont enjoy reading about or joining in discussions with do you also on those threads post that you dont want to read about it and that other people therefore shouldnt post on them anymore? Or as I suspect do you just exercise your preference and not bother reading them?

If the two responses are different why are they different? Because in reality this is no different to any other topic that you dont want to read but others still want to indulge in

Now obviously this is just me, but when I discover similar hypocrisies and double standards that I hadnt realised I did myself I tend to ponder why I do it, what makes me react differently to similar situations and where needed try to correct the lack of integrity and consistency but in all cases its an interesting voyage of self discovery

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Sharon, I can to an extent understand your disdain with a topic like this being meticulously discussed however I also think that people feeling that way about topics like this, paedophillia, rape, DV and countless other “uncomfortable” topics as well as “tedious” ones like childrens disciplines, infidelity and scores of others is part of the reason they are becoming so common place to be honest

A “society” is built on a fabric and framework of fairly standard(ish) ideals and morals which WERE in bygone days learnt without being taught by exposure to extended families and large socially active circles for the most part, where every maturing child would for most of their life be exposed to a mostly working relationship with their parents and others around them, would see childrearing in very finite detail from many members of their own family and other families, would pick up morality, integrity, honour, decency and countless other things by accidental osmosis purely from constant exposure to vast networks of relatively stable family units

Nowadays relationships are treated like video recorders and are thrown away at the merest hint of a problem in many cases, child rearing is often done as and when work socialising and countless other “needs” are met, or is fitted in around other things rather than being a clear and total priority, families are less contiguous and are spread around the country often just assembling for marriages, birthdays and deaths, and social networks are less intrusive and are far less numerous and involved on average

So whereas before the situation WOULD have been rife for indepth discussion on such “icky” topics it wasnt as needed, but also was rarer because of the ick factor, nowadays however I think such topics HAVE to be kicked wide open, meticulously discussed as often and as unemotively as possible as frequently as possible as this not only is the only way people can ever hope to form views based on much wider collections of views and opinions than most will ever socially encounter on a daily basis but it is also becoming one of the last bastions of knowledge and experience exchange as the more traditional methods of passing on viewpoints and social morality are being decimated by modern “mcfamily life”

Not being funny here but as with any tv show, film or anything really that someone doesnt like you dont HAVE to read it, I am sure there are other boards and other threads on here you also avoid like the plague if you dont like football, fishing, deluded people talking about ficticious versions of reality if a relationship breaks down and countless other topics but I bet whilst you dont read them because you dont like them you dont also try to persuade the contributors to not contribute to them because of your lack of interest in the topic, you simply dont bother reading it

And you are right, it wont bring her back, but enough public outcry at her parents behaviour WILL to varying extents hit home with people who MIGHT had this not happened have thought it was equally ok to do the same thing with their kids possibly ending the same way, something that should have been learnt was a complete no-no from more traditional methods I outlined earlier, in lieu of that public discussion and voiced disdain over such shoddy parenting without the touchy feely nonsense silencing such views might, just might prevent someone else reading a thread or hearing a heated arguement from doing the same thing and may make many people realise that crappy selfish parenting WONT as is expected by left wing molly coddling do gooders generate “poor you” sympathy but WILL cause blunt, direct and honest criticism

Whereas avoiding such topics because of their ick factor on the other hand merely perpetuates the likely hood of more and more parents thinking such behaviour is “ok” and if things go wrong they will just get sympathy WHICH our society has created droves of people who are addictied to by nature of our social lack of personal responsibility for our actions and decisions

That, IMO HAS to stop before this country sinks further into the gutter

Now I am not claiming threads such as this are a miracle cure, nothing of the sort. Merely a very small part of a very big change that is needed, but nonetheless IS one tiny positive contribution to an ever increasing social vaccuum of personal responsibility, accountability, integrity, decency, consideration, values, good parenting, solid relationships and countless other things rapidly becoming the stuff of the “good old days”

Nothing changes if nobody changes it

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@token_male wrote:

So what do the mcanns do?

go home and forget about it?

serious question here, you dont like them publicising it so what now?

go home and wait?

IMO they should leave it to the police and stop hampering the investigation

They should take the two remaining kids back to the best degree of normality they can in their own home with their own rooms and possessions, let them be around friends and family and let them try to start living a normal life again BUT with parents that WILL be there for them this time and who will be putting them first and foremost above their social life and personal gains

Nothing more than all three kids SHOULD have been having to begin with really and which had they had it would mean there would most probably still be three of them

Whether they are capable of being conscientious parents nobody knows, but they should IMO at least be trying to be rather than (again IMO) trying to offset guilt by overplaying the “upset parents” not only to ridiculous excess and to the detriment of the two kids they HAVENT lost YET, but also in a rather unconvincing manner anyway so I reckon its time to pack up the showboating ficticious charade and concentrate on actually giving their remaining kids as normal as is possible under the circumstances childhood and grounding of familiarity and stability

[ubermik]

If I understood what they were saying tho they arent bred as often (with family members at least) because they make their women cover up as they lack any form of self control or morality innit?

I’ve also heard that rather pathetic excuse and personally I think its as much to do with a lack of self worth as anything as well as being a control mechanism to keep what they have even when they would under other circumstances have lost it to someone better

But to claim under any guise that a woman NOT covered from head to toe would cause men to not be able to control themselves is a fucking insult to men as a species and ONLY applies to a rather small pathetic group of inbred tossers who are in desperate need of elextroshock treatment ideally to fatal levels IMO

[ubermik]

I’d be happy to settle for being the resident slime chute examiner ……

OOPS, I meant gaenocologist

But only because I am bored of manual work and quite fancy the idea of wearinga shirt, tie and splash proof goggles and having an orifice job for a change :shock: :D

[ubermik]

@fastcars wrote:

@ubermik wrote:

Or you could just buy some chunky knit arran cardigans and leave the heating system to decompose quietly lol :D

Normally I would. But unfortunately I am the landlord and my tenants dont quite see it that way.. :wink:

AHHHH, yes that wouldnt work at all then, the premise was flawed totally

What I SHOULD have said was buy THEM some chunky knit arran cardigans

DUH@me :lol:

[ubermik]

Or you could just buy some chunky knit arran cardigans and leave the heating system to decompose quietly lol :D

[ubermik]

A similar thing is already in place for electrics, but as with this one its totally unenforceable and is really just a money making scheme with dubious grounding in fact to back up its reasoning

As with the electrica version it wont stop DIY’ers, and if they were actually wanted to be stopped then restricting the sale of parts ONLY to trade outlets would be the smart starting place, but its never going to happen is it?

So as long as the stuff is on sale the work will continue and infact I for one am soon to be completely replumbing my bathroom and kitchen irrespective of any change of regulation and regularly install showers for customers which I cant see becoming hampered in any way by some nonsensical directive

[ubermik]

Token

Making it such a high profile case will have sealed her death warrant HAD she merely been kidnapped because whoever had her would have realised it was far too risky to try to keep her or release her

So if she HAD been alive the media circus the Mcanns were basking in would have guaranteed she wouldnt be found alive, whereas a low key police investigation at least had the chance of her abductors being traced through any forensics that might have been found

But you keep wittering on about the other two poor ickle mites, but heres the thing, they are in a foriegn country, away from their family and friends so how is THAT letting them get on with their life? How is THAT in their best interest?

The local police are pissed off with the Mcanns, the local people are pissed off wth the Mcanns and they are STILL there parading for cameras in a country where they WOULD be in jail for leaving their kids alone

And while they have been there they have on many occassions left the remaining two kids with other people to go off on their pointless galivanting, how is THAT “best” for the kids they havent killed yet?

I personally think the only “interests” they are concerned with is their own, not maddys, not the other two kids, just theirs

They are getting to have a MASSIVELY extended holiday, do what they THINK makes them look like doting parents even tho most of their actions, behaviour and body language screams the opposite with the added benefits of them getting to enjoy their extended 15 minutes of fame as well as not having to face the criticism of their friends, families and colleagues for causing this whole incident in the firstplace by their shoddy selfish parenting to begin with

My personal view after seeing their interviews is I reckon the pair of them are fully or near sociapathic with the entitled arrogant detachment from pretty much anyone and anything that accompanies that “condition” and I for one wouldnt bat an eyelid if they had either been arrested by the local authorities and jailed for leaving their kids as I think we should have a similar law here, and I think if the local authorities had deported them from the country it would have been far better for the two kids they havent killed YET

Obviously I can see the “appeal” to two adults of staying in a sun soaked country and holiday resort over returning to the UK and having to work, but that has nothing at all in connection with the best interests of the remaining kids whatsoever

[ubermik]

The one doesnt lessen the other tho in the slightest as they are two totally seperate occurences Sharon

That same person COULD have simply dropped dead with the same end result as far as being a pay packet is concerned so that realisation is or SHOULD be on a womans mind when SHE decides to have a child

And although not denying a lot of men do shirk their “responsibility” to a child a lot of the time its not quite as black and white as people would claim

For one a hell of a lot of women make it as difficult as possible for a father to see his kids, more so when they were the byproduct of casual sex, but tend to not tell people they are doing that, not even the kids. What they majoratively DO say is they give the bloke every chance to see them but HE cant be bothered

The courts as as bogged down with men TRYING to get access to their kids when the mother sees it as an inconvenience to her and blocks it at every turn as they are with women claiming to not be being paid for raising their own kids

In many countries if one parent CAN afford to raise a child and the other cant without assistance they let the one who can afford it have the child and give the other one visitation rights, maybe we should look into that a bit more closely?

But as I said, such things are merely an off the cuff comment commonly used to try and cloud what is a totally different topic to keep it seen in a very trivial way and as tho its not in the slightest bit serious or important even tho its not even related and is like saying “but boats cant fly” in response to a comment about noisy airplanes lol :D

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