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@londonseagull wrote:
@terry wrote:
Has admitted (on tv) that he once gave his wife a black eye. :?
She probably deserved it.
Ah well, joke or not, at least I’ve just found out it’s not just Chameleon can make me feel a bit sick on these boards.
Violence as a response to verbals?
No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No!
And in case that didn’t make my point, No!
And that’s regardless of how ‘intelligent and powerful’ the words are.
Physical action to prevent or restrain genuine physical aggression is one thing. Striking the first blow in an argument? Never!.
@mrs_teapot wrote:
Actually Jen some friends of mine did the same thing….. they took their small children with them too! I wish I were brave enough…. Im not though, also I like my home comforts and somewhere to plug in the hair dryer :D
I’m thinking of doing this myself, for a while, but I think I’d better do a trial run for a few weeks one summer with someone who knows . . .
@jen_jen wrote:
. . . Kenty would like it to stop, so would many posters, but still it continues…to my mind it is now harassment.
There doesn’t seem to be a convenient button on the boards to report miscreant chatters
Any way, back to the thread. Elvis was always a bit overdone for me once he left the Army.
Johnny Nash was the only man I ever ever noticed made my mum go gooey in front of the telly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkwJ-g0iJ6w
My sister always liked Michael Jackson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1dAQN5QcZU
And I remember sitting watching TOTP once when one followed the other, accompanied by screams and moans from the relevant family member . . . .
Myself I always wanted to be like
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001850/
Could never get the hair right though . . . . .
@chameleon wrote:
Wait till Kenty puts my picture up then you will all change your minds. 8)
Was I the only one to feel a little sick in the back of my throat when I read this?
I don’t know how you do it Chameleon, but you turn a mere board entry into something revolting and I’m not even sure what it is that crosses the line but it definitely does.
Maybe it’s the fact that Kenty has made it plain she doesn’t like your attention. Maybe it’s because you don’t seem to make any other sort of comment.
I would like you to stop.
@Sgt Pepper wrote:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
Anything they said to avoid guilt is probably bogus. That they screamed racism is a good indication that it had nothing to do anything and it certainly doesn’t mean in itself that the police were any more afraid of that accusation than they would be of any other cry of “it’s a fit-up” by someone being led off to the cells.
Tenuous logic at best there in my opinion Words. Methinks police fears for any potential ramifications for maintaining social order would be much more justified in the case of a racist conspiracy being alleged as opposed to a mere “it’s a fit-up” cried from the dock. However I do see where you are going with this and I fully support your approach with regard to perspective and knee jerk reactions when it comes to something as explosive as this.
What is beyond question or supposition is that these reports of police “fear” must be given the closest scrutiny resulting in full disclosure without passion or prejudice. A big ask I know when entering a human minefield such as this. Let’s all hope it’s thorough, transparent and fully accountable before minds that seem to be already made up seek to twist and distort others.
Miscreants do show tenuous logic when they’re trying to get off something for which they are guilty. The “Fit up” defence at its merest might be screamed from the dock steps, but when supported by expensive lawyers, influential contacts or real menaces becomes something far more terrifying.
If there is an appeal to come then the race issue will be brought up undoubtedly, it doesn’t make it genuine or even sincere.
Police officers are accused of bias, corruption etc on a daily basis if it stops them from doing their job then I think Terry has already pointed to the only practical solution – make space for someone who will. But who would have the guts to admit they weren’t up to the job?
Racism, real and imagined, in Police work has been examined in depth over the past 30 years.
I write as a believer in, and defender of the police in general and with some familiarity with police officers and their work.
@kent f OBE wrote:
My statement is my opinion and presumption Words….I honestly would not expect preferential treatment because of my skin colour/religion and am equally horrified when its taken advantage of by a small minority………the 59 yr old Ringleader shouted “racist ***” to the judge this morning……why? The ringleader and the rest of the gang in my opinion are probably prominent business men in their community and are well aware of racial tensions brewing…and probably know how much publicity their sentencing will cause….also probably will be looking for reasons of appeal………..sad thing is the scum can’t see they are bigging themselves up against racism and NOT THE FACT THEY RAPED AND CONTINUALLY SEXUALLY ABUSED GIRLS AS YOUNG AS 13…that seems to not even be the issue……………arrogant bastards
Me disagreeing with what you said about PC doesn’t take away your entitlement to your views Kenty and no-where did I suggest that anyone should be treated preferentially for any reason.
The words of the ringleaders are the last things to take into account. If they are prominent business men, then I would suggest that was at least as big a factor in their eluding capture as any fear of racism, money and influence still talks.
Anything they said to avoid guilt is probably bogus. That they screamed racism is a good indication that it had nothing to do anything and it certainly doesn’t mean in itself that the police were any more afraid of that accusation than they would be of any other cry of “it’s a fit-up” by someone being led off to the cells.
If they cared about the young girls and the consequences of what they were doing, they wouldn’t have done it in the first place. They deserve so much worse than what’s coming to them.
@(f)politics? wrote:
agreed pepsi, some kids are so very vulnerable, its strange really not so many years ago kids could play freely in the streets knowing that in the main they would be safe, why has this kind of crime increased to much do we think ?
I think we now hear about things that used to be hidden and we take fewer risks with our children.
My parents gave me dire warnings about talking to strangers and suchlike when I was young, so they must have heard of something. They still let me play out with friends though, disappearing for a whole day at a time on a red bus rover ticket at a ridiculously young age, without mobile or any such way of keeping tabs.
Some of our fear for our children is that abuse from up to a century ago is only just talked about. We’re less in awe of rich people so they can’t necessarily get away with things like they used to. In the meantime our fears increase with greater disclosure.
@(f)politics? wrote:
i don’t think any one is denying there are white sex rings words indeed the facts reported are white people are singularly more when it comes to the whole grooming young people apparently, i think what terry is saying (im guessing) is that these officers of law should uphold the law regardless of colour or creed, and i agree they are tied so much nowadays both by worrying about being racist and worried about discipling the youngsters on the street, among other things, cos that is something else they cant seem to do nowadays without fear of reprisal, and they should be able to do. Not sure its them that should resign though i disagree with Terry there, its the whole system that should be sorted out so they arent in that position in the first place.
I did agree with Terry f_pol. I think my disagreement was more with Kenty’s statement as I believe the police in general are much less afraid of such criticisms than many people think. It’s a handy way of deflecting scrutiny from key issues such as police numbers and deployment, resources, strategies for dealing with specialist areas of crime, and police/community relations generally.
@(f)politics? wrote:
i agree kenty which was pretty much what i was getting at on another thread regarding racism’s and the likes, and was what the kevin myer link sgt pepper put up was talking about, its too sensitive an area nowadays to even discuss things sometimes which is wrong and in my opinion is actually as racist, maybe more so than shouting words of racial abuse, it is treating people differently just because of their race, and that shouldn’t be the case, not just the bad stuff the good too, but it shows itself terribly when things like this come to light.
I agree f_pol. Although I think the Kevin Myer article wastes an opportunity to really get to grips with the issue.
Treating one racial group less professionally because they are labelled as more problematic than other groups is racist, regardless of the politics or the intention of the labellers.
Unfortunately this is compounded by a failure by many in authority to even accept some of the issues thrown up by racism let alone try to understand them. (Nodding kindly and setting up committees doesn’t necessarily increase understanding, any more than arbitrarily refusing to accept the problem exists would.)
Was this fear really the problem? I don’t know, but I tend to be cautious about any sweeping claim made by journalists.
