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I’m not anti-American so I hope this doesn’t happen and it probably won’t, but imagine:….
In the lead-up to the US presidential elections, Barak Obama has a clear and consistent lead in the opinion polls. When the election results come through, unexpectedly, it’s almost a tie, but with the democrats appear to have the edge, like in 2000. Suppose then there are various legal challenges and the ruling is that John NcCain is declared winner. Would that split the USA on racial lines and lead to a breakdown in civil order?
A scary scenario, Bassingbourne. I really don’t know the answer to this one. I would like to see Obama become the first black American President, but I don’t see it happening. I hope I’m wrong.
I think Obama will win. I also think possibly Condoleesa Rice stayed away from the race this time because she thought the Republicans were destined to lose and go into a period of refelection. I wouldn’t be surprised if she runs next time round, and wins to become the first woman president of the USA. So Americas first black (partly) president might find himself contesting his re-election in 2012 against a partly black woman.
That’s a whole lot more cheerful a thought than my original post!
@bassingbourne55 wrote:
So Americas first black (partly) president might find himself contesting his re-election in 2012 against a partly black woman.
Now, THERE’S a ding-dong I’d love to see!
@bassingbourne55 wrote:
I’m not anti-American so I hope this doesn’t happen and it probably won’t, but imagine:….
In the lead-up to the US presidential elections, Barak Obama has a clear and consistent lead in the opinion polls. When the election results come through, unexpectedly, it’s almost a tie, but with the democrats appear to have the edge, like in 2000. Suppose then there are various legal challenges and the ruling is that John NcCain is declared winner. Would that split the USA on racial lines and lead to a breakdown in civil order?
I assume the argument presupposes that if you’re black and american, you’ll vote obama? As opposed to saying, you’re American and who do you vote for.
It of course would be facile to suggest obama couldnt mobilise a huge black vote in key southern states but i would give credit to people for being rationale sensible beings first and foremost
you do realise that you are talking about the ‘bible-belt’ states, who still refuse to acknowledge the theory of evolution, when did rational enter into it? (prepares for major back-lash)
I don’t think I would class Southern black americans in the same category as rednecks both in attitude and intelligence.
Bass opens the question of whether black america will rise up if obama doesnt get in (through spurious dubious means rather than a democratic process)- No, I dont think they will BUT Americans may rise up and declare that they will not allow their democracy to be eroded by lawyers and shamsters
Now that I can see- the main repuiblican problem is only 50% of the electorate in the US bother to vote- if you have a cancdidate who can mbolisae a large section of normally none voters (disenfranchised minority groups incl black and hispanic) and still gain traditional votes (ie die hard democrats) then there is more than a chance he will win.
What happens to america AFTER he is elected is more of a question
Interestingly (IMO)- this country is probably 30-40 years away from electing a none white prime minister (assuming they were best for the job) but had a woman prime minister almost 30 years ago which is something America is less inclined to have
@slayer wrote:
I don’t think I would class Southern black americans in the same category as rednecks both in attitude and intelligence.
Bass opens the question of whether black america will rise up if obama doesnt get in (through spurious dubious means rather than a democratic process)- No, I dont think they will BUT Americans may rise up and declare that they will not allow their democracy to be eroded by lawyers and shamsters
Now that I can see- the main repuiblican problem is only 50% of the electorate in the US bother to vote- if you have a cancdidate who can mbolisae a large section of normally none voters (disenfranchised minority groups incl black and hispanic) and still gain traditional votes (ie die hard democrats) then there is more than a chance he will win.
What happens to america AFTER he is elected is more of a question
Interestingly (IMO)- this country is probably 30-40 years away from electing a none white prime minister (assuming they were best for the job) but had a woman prime minister almost 30 years ago which is something America is less inclined to have
Excellent post Slayer!
assume the argument presupposes that if you’re black and american, you’ll vote obama? As opposed to saying, you’re American and who do you vote for.
No, of course not all African-Americans vote Democrat. Colin Powell was a Republican (and no doubt still is!). People speculated that he could become USA’s first black president only he decided not to run.
But a ‘cheated’ result would polarise public opinion, I’d imagine.
I don’t think we in Britain are 30-40 years away from being capable of electing a black prime minister. I think a black prime minister could be elected today if there was a suitable black contender. If we had an Obama or a Rice, they’d be in with a good chance.
But I never saw the likes of Diane Abbott or Paul Boeteng being prime minister material any more than Edwina Curry or Norman Lamont were!!! But Ian Duncan-Smith (remember him?) is a quarter Japanese.This leads me off on a strange ethnicity related tangent. A few years ago Peru, of all places, had a Japanese prime minister! If Obama becomes president, what would be more remarkable than him being America’s first black president is that he’s actually African – I mean he, as an individual, came to USA from Africa.
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