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What then?
I’ve just finished watching a film called “Out Law” starring Sean Bean (at cinemas 2007), about a group of ordinary people who have ended up feeling let down by the law, the government and the system in general
Annoyed at criminals walking out of jail for grievous assaults before the victim is even out of hospital, of the same sob story excuse being used over and over to get repeat violent offenders a light sentence time after time, of thugs who feel that its their right to commit crime and rather than the honour shown even by criminals just a few decades ago when caught will prey on the weak, elderly or infirm as payback for getting caught
People who decided that the criminals shouldnt own the streets, shouldnt face no real punishment irrespective of what they do and that ordinary hard working people shouldnt have to stay behind locked doors or hide away in fear of the risk of making a stand
People who dont think a hard childhood is a viable excuse for unprovoked attacks on strangers by a teenager or adult who is old enough to DECIDE to do something different but decided to carry on anyway
People who decided that the law and the criminal justice system seems to protect the criminal and their rights but doesnt have the time or manpower to do the same for anyone else
So they take it into their own hands and make the criminals pay for their crimes in a way that doesnt have an appeals proceedure, doesnt have bleeding hearts social workers pointing out that little 18 year old, 6 foot, 15 stone timmy never had all of the transformer toys for christmas when he was 8 which affected him so badly that he shouldnt REALLY be blamed for raping, robbing and then beating up the 73 year old disabled pensioner and that a custodial sentence even tho this IS his 52nd violent assault would only add to the trauma the poor little mite has already had to endure, and a way that requires bandages, crutches, dental work or even a coffin to aid them on their parole afterwards rather than free holidays and organised days out
So thats the film, the questions here tho are….
how far away from this sort of thing happening for real do people think we are?
as much as it is inherently wrong, how much “righter” is the social and legal system we are expected to rely on for “justice”?
how more or less an effective deterrant do you think this sort of action would be to the “victims”?
and finally, were this sort of vigilantyism already going on, just how would you feel about the act itself and how would you feel for the “victims” of it where as a few examples the people who got “sorted” were a thug who got 6 months for dealing out injuries that left permanent scars, or teenagers who had “happy slapped” a vagrant to death just for the fun of it?
I agree with this.
In the past these scumbags just fought amongst themselves. They had respect for the elderly. Modern scumbags/neds/chavs have no respect for anything or anyone.
Ya, it’s shocking that some wee scumbag could get 10 years for taking somones life, and get out still a young man with there life ahead of them.
Longer prison sentances wont happen, since they want them out of overpopluated prisons. Dunno what the answer is.
Well as far as prison sentences alone goes I get tired of people coming out and banging on about what a breeze it was
Infact about 15 years ago I was in Windson Green for 6 months which apart from the obvious lack of freedom wasnt bad at all, decent food, chilled atmosphere, a film once a week and as many books to read as you could ever want to pass the time, when I came back out via another 6 months at an open prison in Sudbury which was actually pretty cool and the time flew but nowadays they have toilets in the cells, televisions and sky TV and various other luxuries that werent there even when it wasnt that bad to begin with
So perhaps a solution that would benefit everyone would be much shorter sentences for many crimes but where the inmates are up at 6am for drill instructor led PE for an hour, followed by a 10 hour work day doing ACTUAL work in most cases, even if its the stereotypical breaking of rocks type pointless task or shovelling soil from A to B, then back from B to A the next day
Make it an experience they WONT enjoy and one that doesnt feel like a relaxing break from the hum drum of everyday life
Infact split the day into two halves and make them time share a cell, that way with a bit of forethought you could have 4 people using a two person cell effectively doubling the capacity of the prison system overnight which again will remove some of the relaxation and comfort from a stint behind bars
Considering the comfort of prisons is a joke amongst inmates making them even nicer is hardly the way to go so maybe its time we tried the inverse and actually made incarceration feel like a punishment for a change? A wild ridiculous non PC notion I realise, but ya never know lol :)
what gets me is when Prisoners bang on about their Human Rights…!!! double standards when they don’t give a flyin f ook on what they have done in the first place….
Prison should be banged up in a room 6 x 6 basic food…. I mean this goverment spends more on prisoners food bills than they do on school meals for children…!! none of the luxurys ie Tv, pool tables, playstations etc…. its like a effin holiday camp…
i love the double shift idea uber why have the powers that be not thought of that little beute :lol: :lol: :lol:
a jail term should be hard working 10 hrs a day and the bare essentials allowed only, there should be no tv, pool tables games consoles etc. and there should be random drug tests and anyone caught using should have an extra 6months not get compo for human friggin rights to carry on being a junkie, the victim hardly ever gets justice now and the criminal gets a free holiday all inclusive at that. what about charging for their stay at 10 quid a week out of their release benefits then 50 quid a week when they get a job IF they ever get a job. equal to their jail term im sure that would annoy the life out of em..@ubermik wrote:
What then?
I’ve just finished watching a film called “Out Law” starring Sean Bean (at cinemas 2007), about a group of ordinary people who have ended up feeling let down by the law, the government and the system in general
Annoyed at criminals walking out of jail for grievous assaults before the victim is even out of hospital, of the same sob story excuse being used over and over to get repeat violent offenders a light sentence time after time, of thugs who feel that its their right to commit crime and rather than the honour shown even by criminals just a few decades ago when caught will prey on the weak, elderly or infirm as payback for getting caught
People who decided that the criminals shouldnt own the streets, shouldnt face no real punishment irrespective of what they do and that ordinary hard working people shouldnt have to stay behind locked doors or hide away in fear of the risk of making a stand
People who dont think a hard childhood is a viable excuse for unprovoked attacks on strangers by a teenager or adult who is old enough to DECIDE to do something different but decided to carry on anyway
People who decided that the law and the criminal justice system seems to protect the criminal and their rights but doesnt have the time or manpower to do the same for anyone else
So they take it into their own hands and make the criminals pay for their crimes in a way that doesnt have an appeals proceedure, doesnt have bleeding hearts social workers pointing out that little 18 year old, 6 foot, 15 stone timmy never had all of the transformer toys for christmas when he was 8 which affected him so badly that he shouldnt REALLY be blamed for raping, robbing and then beating up the 73 year old disabled pensioner and that a custodial sentence even tho this IS his 52nd violent assault would only add to the trauma the poor little mite has already had to endure, and a way that requires bandages, crutches, dental work or even a coffin to aid them on their parole afterwards rather than free holidays and organised days out
So thats the film, the questions here tho are….
how far away from this sort of thing happening for real do people think we are?
as much as it is inherently wrong, how much “righter” is the social and legal system we are expected to rely on for “justice”?
how more or less an effective deterrant do you think this sort of action would be to the “victims”?
and finally, were this sort of vigilantyism already going on, just how would you feel about the act itself and how would you feel for the “victims” of it where as a few examples the people who got “sorted” were a thug who got 6 months for dealing out injuries that left permanent scars, or teenagers who had “happy slapped” a vagrant to death just for the fun of it?
Wasnt this portrayed in Winner’s “Deathwish” 20 years ago? Vigilantyism (or whatever its called) plays to peoples emotions very cleverly. Crime and the apparent lack of suitable punishment makes you and I feel impotent and powerless.
Unable to gain revenge on those who seek to ruin our cosy little worlds and seek to upskittle the fabric of our perceived ideal of society, we view a physical retribution on those who have preputrated the crimes as “just” and “deserved”. It provides a feeling of control and power. If feels like we are “getting our own back” at those who wreck our lives when the court’s namby pamby pink and fluffy sentences dont reflect our own desire for revenge
Hence the majority of the population would very vocally support capital punishment for child murderers and (possibly) those who murder members of the police force.
For me its a double edged sword- its one step away from the lynch mob- however a lynch mob simply means the power switches elsewhere and the injustives continue but delivered by someone else.
I’d quite happily birch (publicly) any drug dealer prior to a minimum 15 year prison sentence. Peadophiles should be life in prison, no parole, no remand, no remission etc- but it wont happen.
Oh youre right, theres oodles of negatives to the concept which is usually enough of a deterrant when theres whats mostly percieved as a working judicial system as an alternative
I cant think of a single extreme thats workable to any acceptable degree in the real world off hand, and as we have a judicial and social system that it a gnats whisker away from being on the side of the criminals a vigilante outbreak would be near enough the opposite extreme to the one we are rapidly approaching
Its just that theres a sense of buckaroo syndrome in the air at the moment, usually timid people are starting to reach the end of their tolerance and more and more people I interact with have stopped defending the flaws in society and the judiciary and are now mostly inclined to complain about it
So as I cant really see this government changing it back into any real form of deterant and are as likely to make it worse along the way anyhoo, and with the alternative being led by the hoody hugging joke of a party leader whos grasp on the reality of everyday life seems even looser than Baloney Bliars was I do wonder how long we have before a switch is flicked and one more plastic item makes the mules kick out around the country amidst cries of “buckaroo toerag”
How long before a justice system that would rather a hundred innocent men walked free than one was jailed starts to be replaced by one that would rather see 100 innocents get kneecapped rather than risking one scrote didnt get their just deserts?
I said on another thread about how it feels to be a witness to a crime and made to feel like the bloody victim.
Nobody has faith in the police in this country anymore, we fear repercussions so we dont react as we should.
perhaps we should all arm ourselves with guns and knives. So much for being one of the “safest” countries in the world to bring children up in aye.
Why was you in prison Uber?
@lil fek wrote:
Why was you in prison Uber?
Because I’d been a very naughty little boy :lol:
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