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As I said earlier, the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) are safe for people taking immunosupressants, but they are unlikely to offer much protection either. This depends on exactly which drugs they take and what is wrong with them (there are nany different types of lupus, ect), My doctors have advised me not to take a vaccine, which is a conclusion I already came to.
There are three main reasons that informed my decision not to take the vaccine:
- The vaccine would better used on someone it will actually work on. Herd immunity also offers protection to me.
- It seems that the NHS doesn’t allow you to choose which vaccine you have, so there’s no guarentee I will get one that is safe for me to take.
- There is a lot of pressure trying to force me into vaccination. I have to strongly question the motivation for this, it clearly isn’t medical.
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My sister had a serious immune system disease…lupus I say had, because she passed away from Covid April 2020….there were (only) 5000 odd deaths at the time..I know others who have lupus who have had the vaccination…49 years old she was ….many many deaths of even younger people since….total devastation of families….
Im sorry to hear that.
Now I don’t know what disease you have Drac as you probably wont tell us….that way it keeps the mystery alive and you can argue away to your hearts content as “we don’t know the facts”
Okay, turn it into an attack then, weird.
As I said earlier, the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) are safe for people taking immunosupressants, but they are unlikely to offer much protection either. This depends on exactly which drugs they take and what is wrong with them (there are nany different types of lupus, ect),
My doctors have advised me not to take a vaccine, which is a conclusion I already came to.
I hope you never come into contact with Covid if you are unable to be vaccinated
Yes, or any other infectious virus’ that would be lethal to me, like the flu.
There’s a reason i’ve been following a strick isolation plan for the best part of a year now, at the cost of everything else in my life.
Last time I caught a cold I was hospitalised for 2 weeks.
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If you don’t have a functional immune system then a vaccine cammot work, they aren’t magical enchantments.
Yes, thats how you spell that word.
The stupidity is starting to affect me.
You stated no doctors recommend it. Then you googled it. In fact, they do recommend it because the risks involved are much more severe, if someone with the condition you claim you have, is exposed to Covid. The risks are far fewer if they take the vaccine. Medical fact darling not online fact.
What is this lunacy?
I haven’t googled anything.
I gave you a real example of actual on the ground doctors advising a real patient.
I know this happened because I was the patient.
Is anyone even reading my posts?
quote quote=1139663]I think Ge’s right
Health experts widely believe the benefits of being vaccinated outweigh the risks, since people with chronic conditions typically have a higher risk of a severe form of the disease. Patients with autoimmune and inflammatory rheumatic diseases face a higher risk of hospitalization from COVID-19. Every person will react differently to the vaccines. “What’s important to keep in mind is that all diseases of the immune system were not created equally. Some may impact the development of vaccine-mediated immunity, and some stand to benefit a great deal from the vaccine,” Ahmadi said. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-expect-from-a-covid-19-vaccine-if-you-have-a-chronic-condition[/quote]
No, he isn’t.
If you don’t have a functional immune system then a vaccine cammot work, they aren’t magical enchantments.
I explained how they work, please read.
The mRNA will eventually wear down and break into peices, we know this must be true because mRNA produced within your body does not infitely accumulate. It’s not well understood exactly what factors contribute to the break down, or how long it takes.
Its worth noting that the property of mRNA to resist degradation is called stability, and it has been proven that mRNA of different species have different levels of stability, that have been observed as being anywhere from only a few minuites to several weeks.
From this we should assume that synthetic mRNA designed in a lab could be made to have any stability we want (if we understood what causes stability, which we don’t). So we could make it last minuites or maybe even several years.
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It’s possible that Pfizer has discovered how to manipulate the stability of mRNA, but if they have then they haven’t published any academic documentation of it and are keeping it for themselves.Seems pointless to speculate on this as we have no idea what happens inside of their labs.
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This reply was modified 4 years, 2 months ago by draculina.
Ge, it’s clear at this point that you are not acting in good faith, this is the last post from you that I will respond to.
You don’t even understand mRNA doesn’t continue to live in your body. RNA messages quickly disappear once the message has been received by the body and an immune response has been built, the immune cells then break them down quickly etc
How exactly do you propose that the mRNA knows that the immune response is complete, and by what mechanism does it self destruct?
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
mRNA can’t do anything by itself, after entering a cell it may ecounter a ribosome, which will translate the molecular instructions in the mRNA to build a protien. It will then release the mRNA back into the cell.
The mRNA will eventually wear down and break into peices, we know this must be true because mRNA produced within your body does not infitely accumulate. It’s not well understood exactly what factors contribute to the break down, or how long it takes.
Current medical advice is that doctors ARE recommending it so what exactly is it that makes you qualified to disagree with that recommendation?
I’ve lived with a severe autoimmune disease for the best part of a decade, and have educated myself on the function of the immune system to make properly informed decisions about my treatment.
Also all of the doctors that I have had contact have strongly recommended that I do not take the vaccine. So no, not all doctors are recommending this.
The mRNA vaccines produced by Pfizer and Moderna don’t do this, the mRNA is absorbed into your cells and instructs them to produce spike protiens similar to the ones that SARS-COV2 has. The spike protien is what the virus uses to trick cells into letting it enter so it can repoduce inside of them.
The main points of contention over this method are :
- If the covid spike protien works as an antigen
- How similar the spike protiens produced by the vaccines are to the real ones
- If having only one type of antibody is enough to grant immunity to covid
- How long the mRNA lasts in the body
The last one is different issue, which risks an immune cascade if there are top up vaccines every 6 months.
If there are any sane people reading thread then I will explain my thoughts on these points in more detail.
- If the covid spike protien works as an antigen
I don’t understand the biochemistry involved in the antibody/antigen binding reaction to comment on this but other external proteins work as antigens so theres a good chance that the spike protien would as well.
If it doesn’t then there’s no way Pfizer or Moderna’s vaccines will work at all.
2. How similar the spike protiens produced by the vaccines are to the real ones
This is impossible to say, Pfizer and Moderna understandably keep their mRNA technology secret, and for some reason nobody is independently researching this.
3. If having only one type of antibody is enough to grant immunity to covid
Based on the fact that Pfizer and spokespersons for various governments have said that the vaccine only reduces the severity of the symptoms, this seems to be no. Binding with the spike protien looks to reduce the ability of the virus to reproduce, but it is still able to in smaller numbers.
There’s another issue with this that I didn’t mention, if the vaccine depends only on the spike protien antigen then any mutation to the spike protien may cause the vaccine to fail. Traditional vaccines have multiple antigens that a majority of which would have to mutate before the effectiveness of the vaccine is reduced significantly.
4. How long the mRNA lasts in the body
As far as I know this isn’t known, but is one of the concerns that prevented mRNA vaccines for other diseases being approved for use in humans in the past.
I think the mRNA should degrade within a few weeks, but if it is longer then the body will continue producing the spike protiens until this happens. This causes a continuous immune response which may cause symptoms such as fever, and reduces the ability of the immune system to respond to other (real) threats.
This is compounded if there are top-up vaccinations which may cause the accumulation of mRNA up to the point where the immunue system is overloaded and fails completely.
Well, let’s pray you are not exposed to a maskless Covid denying degenerate, after lockdown is fully lifted, coughing all over you in Waitrose next time you buy your organic Anaar.
Weird characterisation of me.
the information in that link suggests people on immunosuppressants receive the covid jab…..obviously I know there will be exceptions….because obviously Drac is one
Then the link is wrong, no doctor would reccomend this.
At best a vaccine wouldn’t do anything because I don’t have a functional immune system to be able to produce antibodies, and at worse it would kill me because I wouldn’t be able to prevent a weakened or modified virus from replicating.
I guess one benifit of the mRNA vaccines is that they can’t kill me unless the needle isn’t sterelised properly.
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This reply was modified 4 years, 2 months ago by draculina. Reason: Dont post messages early morning
Health experts widely believe the benefits of being vaccinated outweigh the risks, since people with chronic conditions typically have a higher risk of a severe form of the disease. Patients with autoimmune and inflammatory rheumatic diseases face a higher risk of hospitalization from COVID-19. Every person will react differently to the vaccines. “What’s important to keep in mind is that all diseases of the immune system were not created equally. Some may impact the development of vaccine-mediated immunity, and some stand to benefit a great deal from the vaccine,” Ahmadi said. 