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I’m just looking forward to the synchronised swimming :P
Oh and btw will there be beach volleyball again this time? :)
@cath 55 wrote:
I just wanted to s ay big thank you to jewel for organising the meet, an extra special thank you to kenty and soulbabe, another big thankyou to rebs and brighty for the benefit of their local knowledge.
another big thankyou to all that were involved in my birthday surprise lol, the lights in the restraunt went down, happy birthday was played and i looked all around to see who’s birthday it was only to find out it was a surprise for me a knickerbocker glory with sparklers in lol.
it was so lovely to catch up with old freinds and meet new ones too , lovely to see Did and irene again . xx
what a fantastic lot you are and for those that ‘knock’ jc meets you should try it sometimes , i kinda feel sad that you will never experience meeting some lovely people . :D
Yeah yeah yeah.. So who did the dirty thing with who Cath? :wink:
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I’m perfectly calm Words. And no, it certainly isn’t all about me, far from it. I see no evidence to suggest it ever was in fairness? But hey ho, if you do then that’s grand.
Also, you have absolutely no reason to apologise to me with regard to anything you’ve said here or indeed anywhere else on these boards. Without going too far down the luvvie route, I fully appreciate the outstanding contribution you make to this site. You are without doubt a highly intelligent and articulate man. However, I’m sure you agree that in matters of deep import and debate, things can get somewhat sulphurous in the cut and thrust of heated argument. I am all for fighting a corner aggressively. But believe me, whilst saying that your particular assertion was pompous I am not saying you are a pompous man or in any way seeking to besmirch your character which, to reiterate, I have found impeccable on the brief occasions we have met in chat and in the main on here. I have never dismissed your posts, quite the contrary in fact. I have endeavoured to apply the utmost scrutiny and initial respect they deserve. Naturally, we disagree strongly on a number of subjects, but I sincerely hope none of these have or will ever cross the rubicon towards personal animosity. I simply wouldn’t like that.
I do realise my “style” of debate as it were can be erratic.. abrasive and even downright aggressive at times. If this is a source of discomfort for some, or indeed insulting, then I can only apologise yet again if offence is caused. My defence, as weak as it may seem, is that it is truly unintentional as far as personal hurt is concerned. I seek to punch holes in arguments, not the people who make them.On the one occasion I have cited personal offence in an argument of yours Words, I do hope that together with the very singularity of the incident, the distinction between what was said and who was saying it was clearly drawn. If not, yet again, the shortcoming was mine and not yours. It would seem these instances of offence taking are more frequent on your side, then let me state unequivocally right here, right now, that I bear no personal malice or dislike towards you.
It seems that we are simply chalk and cheese when it comes to most things.
Irresistable force and Immovable object etc..
In many ways I thank you for that.
Respect.@fat bob wrote:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
They are not just any family. His job is not just any job. This was not just any disappearance.
(Said in a sexy voice, obviously not mine) This was an M&S disapearance.
:lol: Good one man!
Well, I don’t see anyone here excusing what happened. Perhaps some may feel that way? I don’t know.
I know I certainly don’t.
As for tolerance? A peculiar one that.
I can only speak for myself in saying that at no time whatsoever have I excused what happened with the Camerons. I have however mentioned Perspective, noting that, alas, such episodes happen every day. This is merely an observation and not an advocation of such instances of neglect. No, it means “they happen every day”, an unfortunate fact that in NO WAY implies “they happen every day and that’s ok”, so I have no idea what tree is being barked up with regard to “tolerance”.It’s also abundantly clear that my “every day” reference was in relation to media coverage and myself and punda’s differing view on that part of proceedings.
So, an odd one indeed.. No such lapses in parental judgement should ever be “tolerated” upon the threadbare premise of their rate of frequency. Such a facile defence was never put forth. Therefore comparing what has been said to the conscious decision to endanger lives behind a wheel is to me a rather pompous assertion that does a great injustice to some of the more honest and open admissions posted on this thread.
On the issue of national security and the Camerons not being just any other couple, I couldn’t agree with Words more. For yes, this is where the Perspective I alluded to takes on new proportions – from intimate, family trauma to the wellbeing of a nation. This was a strand I was going to address later in proceedings (after the personal reflections), but Words has done a masterly job in that regard (see? we can agree on some things lol).
Mister Cameron is both Father and Prime Minister. So yes, it was gross incompetence and highly dangerous when looked at in the broader sense of things. No argument there whatsoever.
This was a disaster waiting to happen in so many ways.. but one that didn’t .. And Thank God for that.
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We must have been watching a different match mate. I think England did enough to get the draw. Dogged and determined (especially Thunderbird Parker), but France certainly had more of it as a contest in my opinion.
Both teams should progress. I’d be just a little wary of Ukraine though.
I like the solidity and purpose Hodgson has installed.. They are playing with a plan now. First time in a long time I’ve seen that.Oh I certainly agree with you there punda, and believe me I can be as instinctively cynical as most, although I do try to fight the urge.
The only difficulty I have with your point is the theory that more would be made of this in the media if it were anyone else. As you can see I believe the polar opposite to be true in this instance. Even without the conspiracy theories I simply can’t see it.
And why? Well, simply because it happens almost every day. I myself have seen similar instances. Never have I seen a rush of hacks though.. Unless in the event of extreme and/or tragic consequences.
But I’m ok with agreeing to disagree on that.Well, the connections between politics and the media certainly can’t be denied, especially when one considers the events and revelations of recent years.
However I do find it mystifying to assume that anyone else in this instance would receive MORE media heat?
Wouldn’t that mean the papers would be bulging every week with such cases? Or am I not living in the real world?Bamboozled to be sure! 8)
But seriously punda.. Do you honestly think that if it were any other family in this instance, there would be MORE media attention?
@wordsworth60 wrote:
@Sgt Pepper wrote:
. . . . . too comfortable to accuse Mr. Cameron . . . . . .
I’m very comfortable accusing Mr Camer . . .(completion failed through nausea . . . ) 8) 8) 8)
I “rest” my case.
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Is that true of how things are in the UK?
Would a single incident similar to that of the Camerons really be dealt with any differently to those living in a council estate? Apart from the media coverage of course?
Would crucifixion (be it literal or metaphorical) truly be the order of the day for “anyone else” in the event of such a one off, unfortunate episode?
In my opinion it comes across as maybe a little too comfortable to accuse Mr. Cameron of being pharisaic in this matter. A single episode like this, though highly embarrassing in terms of political spin, was I’m sure, traumatic at the time for the family. Personally, I don’t think point scoring on the wider socio-political scale is wholly appropriate.
Humans err.
Addressing a culture of negligence and abuse is another thing.