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@kent f OBE wrote:
The dynamics of this country have dramatically changed over the past 5 years or so…more so than they did when West Indian and Asian families started coming over here….my parents came over in the late 50s…..
is it because the influx from europe is heavier? Asians also sent money back “home” so that when they go back their lives would be even more comfortable….my parents told me and so did many of my family that they had every intention of returning. Then along came the children….we started school….our parents felt they couldn’t rip us away from our birth country, and live in a country so different to England….
Personally I think the many many Asians I know have integrated well into society…maybe others think differently…..We have jobs..businesses…..
Won’t this be the case with the Easten Europeans in a few years time?I think the answer starts if we all start nodding our heads about twice a second,
We got a great big job to do, we need you and everybody who loves truth.
Don’t you know we’ve got to clean up this place, and reach far high and oh yeah! Yes we do – We gotta be headstrong about rightin’ the wrong and make a mountain of happy souls, oh; Oh.
(At this point we should start bobbing from left to right)
The world is just a great big onion and pain and fear are the spices that make you cry Oh, and the only way to get rid of this great big onion is to plant love seeds until it dies, uh huh
(add a wide arm movement, shuffle or slide every 4 or 8 beats)
Because the world is just a great big onion and “I don’t care” it’s the face people like to wear – Yes it is now – and the only way to get rid of this great big onion? Every one single soul’s got to do their share!
So come on, let’s knock on every door, Tell them love is the answer, whether they’re rich or poor, oh yeah! For we don’t care what you do, How you look, or your status claim, baby No, no, because brothers & sisters, from now on, is gonna be everyone’s name, oh! oh!
(Key Change – transpose up by one semitone),The world is just a great big onion and pain ad fear are the spices that make you cry – Yes it is! And the only way to get rid of this great big onion is to plant love seeds – Now everybody got to plant love seeds, so Come on & plant love seeds until it dies
(Slow down and look dreamily into mid-space
The world is just a great . . . . . big . . . . . onion.
@Sgt Pepper wrote:
Thank you for “clarifying” Words.
Thing is, it all needed a little too much clarification didnt it?
Still not too clear to me though.You say “Terry’s reaction to panda’s comment”..
Not the issue I’m dealing with here.
I want clarification on panda’s reaction to Terry.
You see? Yet again there’s an inherent bias here.
Then you muddy the waters further with ” it might have been to sceptical’s agreement”” Panda still didn’t call anyone racist and could have had other reasons for rolling her eyes.”
In between stifling a laugh at the “could have had other reasons” parT there (she may have been watching footy) I never said she did.
But on the evidence of that one line she posted, she meant to at least dismiss Tel’s post in some fashion no?
Or have I missed something?
Was it a rational retort to a social opinion?We are being told a lot of what it didn’t mean and a lot of what it might have meant.. yet conversely it seems we are meant to know EXACTLY what Tel meant?
We know exactly what big bad Tel meant why?
Because he isn’t the perceived “victim” in this supposed message boards injustice. He isn’t from the West Indies or Irish or Eastern European or Outer Mongolian or what not.
No.
He is English.
So it his HIS opinion that is assumed and discriminated against in panda’s crude, rolling eyes dismissal.
He shouldn’t breathe a word of what he perceives to be an erosion of his identity? Millions do. The French election is irrefutable proof of that, yet their ballot box right is rarely reflected in the “free” press or even places like here.
I’m not saying I agree with this.. truth be known, I don’t actually.
Yet I’m not lilly livered enough to dismiss the opinions of millions of like minded voters around Europe.
Anti immigration is no longer an extreme point of view.. it is representative.
It needs to be listened to and addressed.
That’s democracy.
Rolling eyes won’t help.I’m with Myers on this.. and , as I said, he puts its far more eloquently than I ever could.
The language of victimisation and it’s apologists must be adhered to.. Any dissent is racism or homophobia or anti this or uncle that or homoracia (I’m assuming that’s hatred of non white gays.. ok, I’m making that up).As for this…
“In my comment, I put racism on a scale between simplistic and deceptive. Think about the times you’ve been subjected to racism and you might recognise the corellation.”I won’t grace such a stupendously idiotic remark with a response.
To attempt to subjectify in such a fashion is truly the refuge of poor argument and populism.
No.
This is not about me.
This is about language.
And one need not type a lot of it to reveal one’s prejudicial correlations.
Yet again, and in this regard, posts “outweighing” others etc is populist drivel.
A post regarding disagreements with levels of immigration should NOT be taken personaly in rational argument.. not in the absence of abuse.
Terry abused no one here.
Argue the facts, the figures.
Without the chip on the shoulder.In saying that, Tel has been guilty of many misdemeanours on this thread.. and I will not defend them.. Very few have.
In fact I condemn them right here , right now.But that should not give us the right to dismiss his earlier post as nothing but what it should have been.
And panda never even gave it a chance.
Goodnight pepper, sleep tight :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
@Sgt Pepper wrote:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
So quickly quoting immigration as the fundamental source of our problems in the middle of an international financial crisis, and dismissing any other perspective seems at best simplistic, at worst deceptive and somewhere on that scale possibly racist – and any of those could prompt rolling eyes, not just racist
@Sgt Pepper wrote:
I stand by my challenge.. For anyone to show me where Terry’s initial immigration post was anyway racist or deserved the treatment it received.
The silence so far has been quite deafening.Words, your theory here is based on no hard evidence from Terry’s post lol.
Truly astonishing really :lol:Terry’s post was in direct response to Mrs Teapot’s reflection on Europe.
I don’t see him dismissing anyone in this post.
And what makes his post as conceived as “quickly” or quicker as anyone elses?
Are we down to judging whether opinions should be merited on how quick we can type them now?
What’s all this “fundamental” business?
And on what (or whose ) scale does supposed “deceptive” turn to “racism” in this post?As for the whole “Guilt by association” well that’s ludicrous in relation to this and has more holes in it than a tea bag.. it could be argued it’s more discriminating than any of Terry’s remarks in his initial post.
I put it to you that it was panda and not Terry who jumped to too many conclusions here.. and that your retrospective sweep up is proving to be rather redundant.
Good.. but could try better.
Pepper with your astonishment and love for assessment you are spoiling me
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Here are some “better” tries:
By “Quickly” I was referring to the early reference in the thread, not the speed of typing or reply. Terry was the first person to refer to Poles, which I think Panda took as a reference to immigration, it seems to have struck a chord with her as she explained.
Panda still didn’t call anyone racist and could have had other reasons for rolling her eyes.
The first person to use the word Racist was Mrs T.
Terry’s reaction to Panda’s comment, although it might have been to Sceptical guy’s agreement, was “Oh I’m so sorry for daring to bring my opinion into it.” I took that as being dismissive, you don’t have to agree. If Terry says I got it wrong I will apologise to him, but without his confirmation, my understanding isn’t any worse than yours.
Terry has replied to most comments with reference to immigration and how important it is, neglecting comments on other economic factors, I would describe that as making it fundamental to his arguments. You don’t have to agree.
As for guilt by association, I was referring to associations that people other than Panda or myself have made between Terry’s comments and various far right groups, if you see that as too discriminating, then please take it up with them.
In my comment, I put racism on a scale between simplistic and deceptive. Think about the times you’ve been subjected to racism and you might recognise the corellation.
Panda’s comment was “Just love the way that somebody has to bring immigrants into it. Typical. ” I’m not sure how that constitutes “too many conclusions”. Even her subsequent comments were to explain her reaction rather than to comment directly on Terry’s take on things. So if her statements outweigh Terry’s and yours, then I suggest she has skills we should all acquire because she’s said so much less than any of us.
Which leads to redundancy – I really don’t think anything I’ve said is any more vital than anything said by anyone else – or any less. But seriously the world would do fine without anything we said in here, it’s all redundant.
Strive To Be Happy!
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@terry wrote:
Even Gordon Brown has admitted they got it wrong so why can’t you??? :twisted:
So Terry, are you really saying that no matter what else might be at issue, the main test of my reason is whether or not I agree with Gordon Brown? Any other of Gordon’s statements you want me to agree with while we’re at it?
@terry wrote:
Wordsworth…1,000,000 Poles came to live in the UK in the space of a year. It is in the record books as the single biggest mass migration of all time.
What is wrong with you??? Do you not understand what I’m trying to explain and the reasons why immigration has been so damaging. Even Gordon Brown has admitted they got it wrong so why can’t you??? :twisted:
Terry, an interesting concept to consider, two different humans with different backgrounds can look at the same information and come to different conclusions. Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean I don’t understand.
Also, could you please tell me which record books show 1,000,000 Poles arriving in a year, because all I could find were figures putting the total Polish population at nearly a million, so I must be missing something.
Gordon Brown might have admitted they got it wrong, but I don’t think he meant he got it as wrong as you say, or that Polish people coming into this country were the single cause of every problem the country has from teen pregnancy to a financial deficit.
Perhaps you could also explain why I’m wrong: Do you really think we had no financial problems before the 1950s?
Maybe it’s a ‘guilt by association thing’. The Right, including avowedly racist organisations, have used Immigration as a rallying call for decades. And of course the racists are only too happy to blame Immigrants (usually excluding Australians, Canadians and Americans, whom they assume are all white and of UK ancestry)
So quickly quoting immigration as the fundamental source of our problems in the middle of an international financial crisis, and dismissing any other perspective seems at best simplistic, at worst deceptive and somewhere on that scale possibly racist – and any of those could prompt rolling eyes, not just racism
Of course if the country had no problems before immigration increased during the 1950s, then it would be a valid assertion. But if we left the EU and returned immigration to pre-1950s levels the evidence is that we would still have financial and social problems. Because we had them before – again and again and again and again and again and again and again.
@pepsi wrote:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
@pepsi wrote:
Tinks ! Lol
Another easy one to solve ….
Imagine you’re in a room with no doors, no windows or nothing else. There is a bull in the room and he wants to kill you. How do you escape?
:?:
no walls?
Words a room does usually have Walls ! Doesn’t it? :D
It usually has doors and windows too
@kent f OBE wrote:
Wordy after 40 yrs……….we havn’t got it right
What would ‘got it right’ look like?
