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    You raise some very interesting and thought provoking points Sarah.

    However, the other side of the coin (which most of us fortunately never see) is the high number of malicious complaints of child abuse made to social services, as a means of one person getting their revenge on another person.

    I recently was asked to offer some advice (as best I could) to a member of the JustChat community (“Mrs X”). She had received a visit from her local social services who informed her that they had received a complaint that her children were being sexually abused both by her and by her new partner – who had recently moved into Mrs X’s home.

    She was absolutely distraught and was terrified that her children would be taken into care. There seemed to be nothing she could do or say to persuade the social services that she was telling them the truth and that her children were NOT being sexually abused.

    The complaint, Mrs X told me, was totally without foundation; was absolutely malicious; and had been made by the ex-girlfriend of her new partner. The motivation was to get back at Mrs X for supposedly “stealing” the complainant’s boyfriend.

    Fortunately, Mrs X took my advice and immediately contacted a solicitor who specialised in child protection issues. As a result the complaint was investigated at a ”senior level” and was eventually dismissed. Mrs X was allowed to keep her children and all was well.

    I don’t know what, if any, comparisons can be drawn from this and the Baby P case. I mention it here simply to demonstrate that it is not as easy as one might think to deal with these issues. The children MIGHT have been being abused, or they might not. Mrs X MIGHT have been a most convincing liar or she might not.

    Whichever way they go, it is a really tough call for the social services to make. Do nothing and get it wrong and the children suffer. Forcibly remove the children (on a malicious complaint) and get it wrong and again the children suffer.

    I guess that at the end of it all it is a judgement call – one that I am very glad I don’t have to make.

    #386894

    @forumhostpb wrote:

    Well we all know the reason why “…..those monsters will get new identities when they emerge from jail” don’t we?

    The tabloids would take enormous pleasure in publishing their addresses and suchlike and as night follows day, “those monsters” will be killed by a baying mob whipped up into a frenzy of self justified rage. (A bit like all the “friends” of Sharon Matthews eh?).

    Now you might want to argue that they were getting all they richly deserved. If so why bother imprisoning them at all, in fact why bother putting them on trial? All you need is a few inflammatory articles in the Sun or Mail etc and an accused could be simply dragged out of their homes into the street and summarily butchered by a mob.

    Alternatively, you might want to take the view that a legal punishment is just that, and that once an offender has served their time, they should be allowed to return into society.

    <span style="color: red]I am left to remember the paediatrician in Southampton who was hounded out of their home and nearly killed in the street, all because a bunch of Sun readers mistook “paediatrician” for “paedophile[/size%;”>“.[/color]

    PB- this is as bad as tabloid journalism.

    No paediatrician was “hounded out of their home and nearly killed in the street”- ONE paediatrician returned home from work one day to find someone had written “Paedo” on their wall- just once mind you.

    Exageration of facts in this way is exactly what the tabloids do- perhaps we shouldnt be to critical of them then when we do it on here!

    #386895

    You know Slayer, I think that you may well be correct on this and my memory is playing tricks again…… anyway it was (allegedly) Portsmouth and not Southampton.

    i did find this article in the Guardian though >>>

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2001/feb/04/childrensservices.socialcare

    >>> which seems to support the view that militant vigilantes act in the manner described above.

    #386896

    Its an interesting article and one which demonstrates how easy it is for an opinion to be formed within a mob which actually becomes the mob’s “raison d’etre”. However, any gathering of people with the intent to demonstrate has the potential to slide into an anarchistic, lawless rabble- the question is do we let that take precedent over the right to information which may protect the weak and vulnerable?

    Some primeval part of me would be quite happy for the murderers of baby P to be released and their addresses listed on the front page of the Sun and whatever happens is natural selection but I am also intelligent enough to know that once the line is crossed……

    However I am of the opinion that one mechanism to offset public anger, impotence and disgust is to ensure the sentences fit the crime. A life sentence should mean just that- if we cannot return the death penalty to our statute books, then at least ensure that murder is an automatic life until death punishment. One reason vigilantes exist is because of the feeling of impotence within a legal system which appears to protect the guilty more than the innocent and which penalises the victim at the expense of the accused (in most cases). Community sentences for paedophiles are one example of a public disgust at the justice system failing those it is in place to protect- we should have-

    Life for murder

    30 years for rape minimum

    20 years for a 3rd violent offence (not the 93rd!) minimum

    Publicise them, every week, in every magazine, newspaper, TV advert etc. I could guarrantee violent offences would reduce dramatically within 12 months. Unfortunately we have weak government which is influenced by a left wing liberal attitude which will never have the courage to ensure effective justice is seen to be done.

    IMO!

    #386897

    In the late 1980’s when football hollaganism was at its height, when a hooligan was sentenced in court the local news took the unprecented step of publishing their names and addresses together with their sentence on local news …… :shock: :shock: Although it didn’t give the number of the house it gave the name, road and town……now I have very mixed feelings about this…

    The families of these hooligans ( that were safely locked in jail ) had to leave their families to cope with the fallout from this – I don’t agree with it and thank god it doesn’t happen today…… :? :?

    #386898

    @lovely Lady wrote:

    In the late 1980’s when football hollaganism was at its height, when a hooligan was sentenced in court the local news took the unprecented step of publishing their names and addresses together with their sentence on local news …… :shock: :shock: Although it didn’t give the number of the house it gave the name, road and town……now I have very mixed feelings about this…

    The families of these hooligans ( that were safely locked in jail ) had to leave their families to cope with the fallout from this – I don’t agree with it and thank god it doesn’t happen today…… :? :?

    Also in the late 80’s, actions like this (amongst others) ensured a dramatic and thankful reduction in hooliganism- why? Because ultimately thugs don’t like being locked up- not when they’re only out for a laugh!

    Name and shame them

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    #386900

    Just when we thought things couldn’t get worse concerning this sick bastad they do!!! :shock:

    I hope he rots in hell. :evil:

    #386901

    anyone changed their mind on the kill him issue yet ?

    #386902

    Cas

    @pete wrote:

    anyone changed their mind on the kill him issue yet ?

    I’m sure theres plenty would like to see that, truth is tho, its never going to happen. Best we can hope for is that once he starts his sentence he won’t stay anally retentive for too long.

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