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A discussion elsewhere asked this question which then turned into a back and forth about whether it had or not and people giving examples of the lack of and of the act
But were supposed to be heading for an equal society, thats what women campaigned for, thats what they are supposed to want which sort of negates the entire concept of chivalry really as it lives in an inbalanced inequal gender dichotomy
So as equality negates the existence of and SHOULD negate the want for chivalry how come so many women seem to complain about the absence of it?
Pretty much the same would seem to apply to steretypica notions like romance as women often bemoan the lack of that in the world and yet in this allegedly striving to be equal world they want you rarely see or here of women actually being romantic themselves, just wanting someone to be that way with them
So is equality even a valid concept or are the genders pre programmed to be inequal and actually prefer it that way? Or is it merely because we are in a seemingly drawn out transition between the inspirational differences of the genders au naturelle and the bland sameyness of equality?
I believe chivalry is totally outdated. The roles of men and women have changed so much and while some women prefer a gallant man, others would find it irritating. Good manners and respect is what is needed by men and women equally.
A very close friend of our family, a very amazing and fantastic woman once said: ” As ladies we were superior, as women we are only equal”. She had a point there…….
@sailingal wrote:
A very close friend of our family, a very amazing and fantastic woman once said: ” As ladies we were superior, as women we are only equal”. She had a point there…….
WOW! :D
I think I might use that lol, she sounds like a very astute and above averagely insightful woman :)
Just some manners would do me. And people holding the door open (both sexes I must add)!
There is nothing worse than holding the door open for an aloof man to step through and not even say thankyou!!
(thats when I step on their toe and dont say sorry)
@ubermik wrote:
@sailingal wrote:
A very close friend of our family, a very amazing and fantastic woman once said: ” As ladies we were superior, as women we are only equal”. She had a point there…….
WOW! :D
I think I might use that lol, she sounds like a very astute and above averagely insightful woman :)
She was the most fantastic woman I had ever met. Even though she was a princess, she always treated everyone the same warm, wonderful way. May she rest in peace.
So funny that I just had this conversation with my husband two days ago. We were with his friends in the city and every time I walked out of some place, behind his friend, he NEVER held the door so I could grab it. It always smacked me in the face (figure of speech). I didn’t really care, but it was funny to me because it was so obvious. Like a running joke with myself that day. My husband holds the door and his other friend held the door, but the one having trouble holding onto a relationship didn’t hold the door. Coincidence? :-k I think not! :lol:
BTW – I always hold the door for everyone, it’s more about respect I think than chivalry.Well I agree with the point about common courtesy irrespective of gender, age, attractiveness or any other contributing decider
The thing here tho is more one of what we ARE supposed to be seeking as a society
When I was still doing counselling one of the common things that used to make me chuckle was a woman saying first that she wanted to be treated as an equal and later complaining that her partner was never “romantic” any more, when asked the last time THEY were romantic towards their partner I would often get a blank stare as tho I had asked a silly question and on some occassions someone pointing out (as tho I hadnt noticed) that THEY were the woman :|
Yet they wanted to be treated equally lol :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Thats just one of many many quite obvious and commonplace double standards, contradicitions and hypocricies people regularly have but are very rarely even aware of
Chivalry is for the most part a description of something men do in the presence of women and therefore has no real place in a society seeking equality and common gender devoid courtesy with no special exceptions or treatment for “women” would therefore be the replacement
“The thing here tho is more one of what we ARE supposed to be seeking as a society “
“Chivalry is for the most part a description of something men do in the presence of women and therefore has no real place in a society seeking equality and common gender devoid courtesy with no special exceptions or treatment for “women” would therefore be the replacement”
@lil fek wrote:
Good manners and respect is what is needed by men and women equally.
With regards to the women you counselled..they obviously had problems or wouldn’t have been there……….I hope you showed them the error of their ways!
Oh and Should chivalry be dead? I think that is up to the man!
Hang on a mo here……….
Uber used to be a counsellor????
OMG!!!! :shock:
:wink: :lol:
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