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    I found this quite interesting. Written by an American.

    Welcome to Fascist America!

    by Gene Callahan

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    My fellow Americans, it’s official now: We live in a fascist nation.

    Now, the term “fascist” has been thrown around over the last fifty years in a loose way that has drained it of much of its meaning. If someone wanted to cut 5% off of a leftist professor’s favourite welfare programme, the professor would call his opponent a “fascist.” I’m not using the word like that. I mean honest-to-goodness, old-fashioned, 1930s style fascism, featuring such old favourites as:

    * Secret prisons – they’re back!
    * Torture – we’re doing it.
    * Spying on all citizens.
    * Arrests and indefinite imprisonment without trial.
    * Rampant militarism.
    * Secret detention.
    * Enforced disappearance.
    * Denial and restriction of habeas corpus.
    * Prolonged incommunicado detention.
    * Unfair trial procedures.

    (This list was compiled partially based on the work of Amnesty International, available here.)

    An absolutely mind-numbing response to complaints that our traditional legal system is being torn apart is the question, “So, you want to protect the rights of terrorists?”

    Um, no, I want to protect the rights of non-terrorists who might be falsely accused of terrorism! That was sort of, you know, the whole idea of our legal system. I’m sure there was some neo-con around in the 1700s saying to Jefferson or Madison, “So, you want to protect the rights of murderers and robbers?” but luckily they ignored him.

    We’ve now gotten to the point where Nazi Germany was, say, in 1934. Remember, at that time, if you had told a typical German what his government would do over the next ten years, he would have looked at you as a madman. After all, his land had been civilized for over a thousand years. His was the nation of Albertus Magnus, Gutenberg, Goethe, Schiller, Beethoven, Bach, Kant, Hegel, Schelling, Fichte, Heisenberg, Reimann, Mann, Lessing, Herder, Handel, Dürer, Leibniz, Gauss, Helmholtz – he could have gone on, but you get the point. His nation could not possibly descend into barbarism! If you tried to tell him he was living in a police state, he would have pointed out that his government had used its vast new powers very judiciously, and only against a few trouble-makers. So far.

    It is interesting, in gauging the direction we are heading, to look at the proclamations of “respectable” opinion writers who support this administration. For instance, we have people at a “libertarian” think tank proclaiming that Moslems are not entitled to full civil rights in the US. (Perhaps we need to make them wear something special on their clothing like, say, a yellow star, so we know just who they are, hey?) But “conservatives” provide even more stunning examples of purely fascist reasoning. For example, conservative demagogue Ann Coulter has called for the editor of The NY Times to face the firing squad for his part in publicizing this administration’s abuses of power. Let’s look at a recent column by Douglas MacKinnon at TownHall.com.

    MacKinnon considers all of those involved in revealing the sordid collection of secret programmes that have been launched by the Bush administration as “traitors” who have publicized these schemes “purely because they don’t like the policies of the new president.” Well, he’s right in that “they don’t like the policies” that they consider unconstitutional violations of our rights. Far from “aiding the enemy,” these revelations aided us, the American people, by letting us know what our government has in store for us.

    Consider what the point of classifying these programmes was in the first place, and who they were being kept secret from. The jihadists no doubt already knew about the secret prisons – their friends are in them! They surely knew that the war in Iraq has been helping their recruiting – it’s their recruiting! (“Praise be to Allah, Abdul, I read in The NY Times that it is the Iraq War that is sending us these thousands of new recruits – who knew?”) They no doubt suspect they may be wiretapped – what they didn’t know was that all the rest of us are, as well. No, not one of these leaks helps terrorists, nor was one of them classified to stop terrorists from finding them out. We were the ones who weren’t supposed to find out about them.

    MacKinnon continues: “And if even one American lost his or her life because of a leak, then I would want that person to be executed for treason.”

    So anyone who reveals our fascist government policies is a traitor who can be executed! This is obviously an attempt to intimidate the opposition so that our police state can be expanded without the annoying work stoppages caused by public outcry when the latest bit of construction is revealed. And just how does MacKinnon propose to show that some American lost his life because a journalist revealed that the US government tortures people across the globe, rather than, say, because the policies he supports have inspired a million new jihadists? Secret trial, perhaps? Or why even bother with trials for filthy traitors?

    Herr Goebbels – oops, I mean MacKinnon – writes, “Until we severely punish those who leak classified information, then the traitors among us will not only continue to flourish, but will grow more brazen with the secrets they reveal.”

    Yes, what we ought to be able to do, you know, is simply seize anyone who even mentions our government’s “secret” prisons, and, without a trial, throw them in a secret prison! This is the logical conclusion of this fascist’s article, after all, since those who talk about the American Gulag are pretty much terrorists themselves.

    Folks, this is coming real soon, and, once it does, domestic opposition is pretty much over. One journalist – that will be about all it takes – will be seized as a “terrorist” and thrown in the Gulag. The government may release him, but then another will simply disappear in the night in Iraq or Afghanistan, and rumors will circulate that he is being kept in a cage somewhere and waterboarded. No journalist lacking heroic courage will any longer be willing to seriously protest government policy.

    America is full of decent people, who could never believe their own government could become fascist. So were Germany and Italy in the 1920s. But they became fascist anyway. They passed laws suspending civil liberties, but the government promised the frightened populace that those laws would only be used against targets like “Communist terrorists.” And, a little bit at a time, the target kept getting bigger and bigger, slowly enough that the people who weren’t paying close attention never detected it.

    And, next thing you know, there were millions of people dead! So, it turns out, it would have been worth paying attention after all.

    October 4, 2006

    #243566

    I agree 100%. It’s obvious to me that America is sowing the seeds of dictatorship and if successive administrations continue in the same authoritarian manner then dictatorship, or something very close to it, will be the inevitable long-term result.

    Teddy Roosevelt said it best:

    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

    #243567

    and what was astonishing is that this new law was given very little publication, and i couldn’t count on one hand the people i know that know of its existence. most people say they “don’t like politics” even when something like this happens and someone should speak up about it. now we can’t speak up anymore. :-#

    #243568

    I agree america is heading for an authoritarian existence, as is England, thats why we had 9/11 and 7/7.

    #243569

    From the nation that produced Edgar J Hoover..and the McCarthy trials..this law comes as a surprise :?: :?: :?:

    #243570

    @emmalush wrote:

    I agree america is heading for an authoritarian existence, as is England, thats why we had 9/11 and 7/7.

    we are WAY further down that path than you guys, i assure you.

    #243571

    Do you remember the part in Animal Farm where the pigs start to look like the farmers? The same thing is happening with America now. The US has criticized so many countries for abusing human rights but now you’ve got the illegal wiretaps, the secret cia prisons, extraordinary rendition, abolition of habeas corpus in terrorism cases, approval of torture and other abuse by interrogators and of course the gulag and kangaroo courts in cuba.

    Bush is creating a more and more draconian style of government and his incompetent administration is kept in power by the constant use of fear and by people wrapping themselves in the flag. They go around saying that you can’t criticize government policy because it will “embolden the enemy”. They say that you have to keep them in power to keep America safe from attack. So this, by all appearences, hopeless administration remains in power slowly eradicating the values and principles that Americans used to be proud of. Soon the US policy towards enemies of the state will become indistinguishable from that of say Syria, Saudi arabia, or even China.

    #243572

    @Mr Bigstuff wrote:

    Do you remember the part in Animal Farm where the pigs start to look like the farmers? The same thing is happening with America now. The US has criticized so many countries for abusing human rights but now you’ve got the illegal wiretaps, the secret cia prisons, extraordinary rendition, abolition of habeas corpus in terrorism cases, approval of torture and other abuse by interrogators and of course the gulag and kangaroo courts in cuba.

    Bush is creating a more and more draconian style of government and his incompetent administration is kept in power by the constant use of fear and by people wrapping themselves in the flag. They go around saying that you can’t criticize government policy because it will “embolden the enemy”. They say that you have to keep them in power to keep America safe from attack. So this, by all appearences, hopeless administration remains in power slowly eradicating the values and principles that Americans used to be proud of. Soon the US policy towards enemies of the state will become indistinguishable from that of say Syria, Saudi arabia, or even China.

    You really are joking !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go live in the States – go live in China or Saudi
    The only people the American Gov are persecuting are terrorists – but all of you “Human Rights” lovers – want everyone to have their rights – The right to plant explosives – the right to fly planes into buildings , the right to be suicide bombers

    The World is a different ball park now – from decades of being to soft with these people we are now reaping the ill sown seeds of these maniacs – and people like you support their rights above the rights of normal decent law abiding citizens
    Should we not fear these things that are happening , what do these terrorists really want ; what is their ultimate aim ?
    They don’t want a civilised society – look at Iraq – we free them from a dictator – then out of the woodwork come all the warring tribes – joined by terrorists from Al Q and Libya and Iran ; they are only happy killing and terrorising

    I really can’t see how you blame America for fighting terrorism

    #243573

    You either have a Democracy in the US (or the UK) or you dont. If people’s civil liberties and freedom’s are curtailed, then it isnt a Democracy anymore. Hence it’s become a Fascist State, and it should rightly be titled a Fascist state.

    #243574

    Drivel are you really that blind? Theoretically, the US government could accuse you of terrorism and then strip you of all your rights without a shred of evidence. For example there was a Canadian man who was arrested by US authorities, flown to syria and then tortured. When they realized he wasn’t actually a terrorist they let him go. The same thing happened to a German man who was tortured under supervision by the CIA. Then of course there were those men from Tipton who spent a few years in Guantanamo before the US officials realized they weren’t terrorists.

    What you can’t seem to understand is that, as things stand, the US government can call anybody a terrorist, lock them up, torture them and then throw away the key. They don’t have to justify the detention, they don’t have to explain to the prisoner why they are being detained and they don’t have to provide any proof to substantiate the accusation of terrorism. Anyone who is eventually charged with an offence at Guantanamo will not be able to get a fair trial because everyone involved in the trial will be a member of the US military. They can also deny the defence from access to evidence by claiming national security is at stake. Now tell me how that’s any different from China or Syria or Saudi Arabia?

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