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i can understand people who are against a dna database. but when we see things such as this its the perfect example for having it. this monster may well have killed other women. annalee aldertons mum is a very old friend of ours and her sister and niece live just over the road from me. their entire family have been desolated by this animals acttions. i must admit that i now support the dna argument. although no one can pretend that a bent officer could in theory set someone up this way, its not very likeley is it.
For me, DNA givesd the police a direction of travel- they have a “lead”
DNA on its own almost always doesn’t lead to a conviction- but the DNA gives the lead for the old fashioned police work to begin
And in last weeks Ipswich murders and last weeks London model murder case (which was also solved 2 1/2 years later thanks to DNA), neither accused denied being at the scene which they could have done without DNA
as I said- public protection against civil liberty?
I am surprise you are all talking about this.
We all know that the new passports and ID cards will have your DNA on them and the information will be kept on a dada base and can be read by anyone.
The national dada base is up and running and being added to each day.
But there is a problem; people and computers get things wrong.
So there is a theory that if your DNA is enters wrong on the dada base you could spend years in prison for a crime you didn’t commit.
DNA evidence is not 100% and any good barrister will tell you that.
It’s only an “indicator” and on its own would never stand up in court.
I think the DNA dada base is waste of time, only the true and the good will be on it voluntary, the main criminals will always find away round it.
But isnt the point these 2 murderers werent on it voluntarily but were identified due to other crimes committed
The London model murder is a prime example- 2 years after she was killed, the police were no nearer finding her killer but they had some DNA- Mark Dixie then gets into a pub fight, is arrested and suddenly you have a matching DNA ID.
Without the police recording DNA following an arrest, this murderer would STILL be free.
@slayer wrote:
But isnt the point these 2 murderers werent on it voluntarily but were identified due to other crimes committed
The London model murder is a prime example- 2 years after she was killed, the police were no nearer finding her killer but they had some DNA- Mark Dixie then gets into a pub fight, is arrested and suddenly you have a matching DNA ID.
Without the police recording DNA following an arrest, this murderer would STILL be free.
Exactly. Having a national DNA database can only be a good thing. The only ones who have anything to fear from it are the criminals.
@bat wrote:
@slayer wrote:
But isnt the point these 2 murderers werent on it voluntarily but were identified due to other crimes committed
The London model murder is a prime example- 2 years after she was killed, the police were no nearer finding her killer but they had some DNA- Mark Dixie then gets into a pub fight, is arrested and suddenly you have a matching DNA ID.
Without the police recording DNA following an arrest, this murderer would STILL be free.
Exactly. Having a national DNA database can only be a good thing. The only ones who have anything to fear from it are the criminals.
And the vigilantes…..
@fastcars wrote:
@bat wrote:
@slayer wrote:
But isnt the point these 2 murderers werent on it voluntarily but were identified due to other crimes committed
The London model murder is a prime example- 2 years after she was killed, the police were no nearer finding her killer but they had some DNA- Mark Dixie then gets into a pub fight, is arrested and suddenly you have a matching DNA ID.
Without the police recording DNA following an arrest, this murderer would STILL be free.
Exactly. Having a national DNA database can only be a good thing. The only ones who have anything to fear from it are the criminals.
And the vigilantes…..
Just imagine if you were Sally Bowmans mother Fasty, wouldnt you want him hung? Her poor daughter didnt, stand a chance against her killer. She was only tiny. Can you imagine how terrible it was for her mother to have too look at her beautiful daughter through a pane of glass, lying on a slab in a morgue? If I was her, I,d want him hung drawn and quarted, and if that makes me a vigilante or a bad person then too bad.
The government have refused the request for a national database.
I think your all talking out of your fat assess again.
DNA is only an “indicator” its not 100% reliable.
Groups like the IRA knew about DNA and always took bleach and other cleaning products to remove any trace of it.
You have to ask the question,
“How much DNA do you need to find on a dead body to convict someone?”
Are we talking the same amount of blood or urine has a paper cut or a pint?
We had the same debate 60 years ago with fingerprints, (there only about 60% reliable).
You still need to produce a body of evidence to convict someone, like how, when and why, DNA doesn’t tell you that.
I love the way people think science will solve crime, it don’t, good police work does.
How many murders did we have last year? Well about 100 so we are going to spend 10 million on this?
You do the math.
The dada base is a waste of money that could be better spent other things for the police.
@dead_on_arrvial wrote:
But there is a problem; people and computers get things wrong.
So there is a theory that if your DNA is enters wrong on the dada base you could spend years in prison for a crime you didn’t commit.
DNA evidence is not 100% and any good barrister will tell you that.
It’s only an “indicator” and on its own would never stand up in court.
I think overall the DNA database is a good idea, but I have to agree with Doa :shock: that there is a worry that your DNA could somehow become mixed up with someone elses on the system. Mistakes do happen, and you could find yourself being convicted for something you didnt do. On this basis, im not sure that it would be fair to convict someone on DNA evidence alone.
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