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    From the independent

    One question nags me over this week’s honeytrap trial in which a British scientist was conned into smuggling drugs because he thought he might get his leg over a Czech glamour model. Is it possible that Paul Frampton was really that stupid? The depressing answer is – yes, definitely. But the facts are nevertheless quite hard to swallow. Frampton – who amazingly has the requisite grey matter for a double first from Oxford – became convinced that he had formed an online romantic relationship with Denise Milani, a gorgeous 32-year-old former Miss Bikini World.
    So persuaded was he by the reality of this link that he flew to Bolivia to meet her for an assignation – and in his imagination, no doubt, a bit of slap and tickle – but ended up smuggling drugs for a cartel that had used Milani’s picture as a honeytrap (without her knowledge).

    There are many levels of stupidity involved in this story, and I don’t want to add to Mr Frampton’s woes by listing them all, since he just got banged up for nearly five years. His ex-wife’s observation that he is a “naive fool” is probably sufficient comment. But at the heart of it is the question: how could an unprepossessing 68-year-old believe that a busty hottie might want to have him dip his rusty old spoon in her honeypot?

    The depths of male vanity really are quite unfathomable. I don’t think any 68-year-old woman could possibly fall for such a scheme – it would just seem too wildly implausible to have a member of Chippendales fall in love with them. Women have their heads screwed on too tight.

    Perhaps there are mitigating cultural circumstances for this extraordinary sexual blindness. It may be true that, for men, the moment when they lose their sexual allure has historically been somewhat more blurred than for women. After all, women do not usually ogle and wolf whistle attractive men, so the sudden absence of such attention does not act as a litmus test.

    Furthermore, there is a story that is told to men by the culture that women see through shallow matter like physical age and unattractiveness to the deep and sensitive person supposedly hiding underneath the wrinkles and sagging belly.

    There is very limited evidence for this view. It is true that an older man is likelier to have a relationship with a younger women for historical and cultural reasons, but those reasons – which are to do with power and status – are fading somewhat, although they obviously still have force. As Mrs Merton famously asked Debbie McGee about Paul Daniels, 20 years her senior: “So what first attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels?”

    It remains true that if you are rich, powerful and glamorous you are definitely in with a chance with younger, sometimes much younger, women. The simian Bill Wyman and scores of other rich, grisly old men with much younger partners have proved that. But the trouble is, ordinary blokes suffer from the illusion that they, too, deep down, are unheralded superstars.

    This myth of the Woman Who Can See the Heart of Gold probably derives from comforting stories told by mummy to jug-eared, spotty schoolboys, but which also feeds into a number of larger cultural myths.

    Blind man’s buff
    At the beginning of the 20th century, for instance, silent comedies customarily portrayed the hopeless, weedy but good-hearted guy – originally Chaplin, but later Norman Wisdom – winning the girl from the handsome but brutish alpha male. This continued, for the British, into the Carry On era, in which the biggest loser usually in the end landed the female love interest because of his essential decency – this character most normally being played by the plain, bumbling, sexually terrified Kenneth Connor. Jonathan Coe built a novel around this premise in his Eighties classic What a Carve Up!, and it remains part of sexual mythology – the nice guy wins out over the sexy one.

    I’ve always been fond of this particular myth, as I’m not much of a beefcake, and it has occasionally worked for me, giving me a chance with women who on physical grounds alone would probably be out of my league. Even now, in my middle fifties, I sometimes fool myself that a touch of writerly prestige might act as aphrodisiac to the right sort of younger woman. But in my saner moments, I know it’s pretty unlikely. Time to get real.

    But an amazing number of men, it seems, still do not recognise their own lack of appeal. Only this week came the story of a 54-year-old weatherman in Florida. Two young Eastern European women in a bar approached him and asked him to “party”. Shortly afterwards, he woke up with a hangover and found he had been ripped off by them to the tune of $43,000. How did he fall for it? The answer was disarmingly honest. “I’m a guy. I thought I might get laid.”

    From Mata Hari’s victims to John Profumo, to David Petraeus, the same fundamental formula applies. Women may be less powerful in society, but when it comes to sex, young ones, at least, remain in control. And that’s not down to their predatoriness but men’s perennial foolish vanity. No deep explanations are necessary. “I’m a guy – I thought I might get laid” says everything that needs to be said about the situation.

    #516098

    I dont agree with much in this article…. have to say looking around, women are ageing a lot better than men these days…. Think of women like LuLu aged 62, Goldie Hawn 67 and Carol Vorderman aged 53…. Ive selected them as examples but really they are not unusual… there is no need to look like our grannies nowadays… and its acceptable for women to take advantage of modern cosmetics and techniques to keep them young looking.

    Its about time men followed suit…beer bellies and comb overs are a real turn off…….watch that waistline fellas…. and use moisturiser…..

    #516099

    I’m not entirely sure that I completely agree with the tenor of this thread, either.

    I always think it’s hard to be conclusive about the rules of the heart.

    But what a post! I can see why more than the occasional lady is impressed with your epistolary skills.

    Love the name btw. Anyone who likes bossa nova can’t be all bad.

    #516100

    Unfortunately certs, your assertions are contradicted by the queues of older women on flights to tourist destinations all over the world where they rekindle their acquaintances with their holiday or internet romances; the resulting marriages, some successful, some not and the women who date or marry ‘unsuitable’ men of all ages.

    The attractiveness of some older men to some younger women is helped by the numptiness of some younger men, which can make us look like gods by comparison.

    As for money, sometimes a woman will see something in a man which is hard to value financially, but which offers long term emotional security, which is as (maybe more) important.

    Some people really aren’t motivated by money and are attracted to someone they can respect, whose company they can enjoy, and whose dreams and goals they can share.

    #516101

    LuLu aged 62, Goldie Hawn 67 and Carol Vorderman aged 53….

    they aren’t ageing well at all :lol: ……….they have all gone under the knife so what you see isn’t natural

    #516102

    at the word ‘numptiness’

    #516103

    Pssssst…Rusty, Words….I think Certy copied the article from the Independent…the clue is in the first line… :wink:

    #516104

    The assertions in the article are contradicted by the queues of older women on flights to tourist destinations all over the world where they rekindle their acquaintances with their holiday or internet romances; the resulting marriages, some successful, some not and the women who date or marry ‘unsuitable’ men of all ages.

    The attractiveness of some older men to some younger women is helped by the numptiness of some younger men, which can make us look like gods by comparison.

    As for money, sometimes a woman will see something in a man which is hard to value financially, but which offers long term emotional security, which is as (maybe more) important.

    Some people really aren’t motivated by money and are attracted to someone they can respect, whose company they can enjoy, and whose dreams and goals they can share.

    #516105

    @jen_jen wrote:

    Pssssst…Rusty, Words….I think Certy copied the article from the Independent…the clue is in the first line… :wink:

    I’m such a ditz. Nonetheless, I maintain that he has the ability to impress the ladies with the mere strength of his words.

    Thanks

    #516106

    your very kind rusty, its nice to come across someone on the boards who knows what they’re talking about :lol:

    Now the rain has gone
    But something lingers on
    There’s certain sadness here
    Now that the sky is clear

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