[J_in_France]

@pennyj wrote:

What the hell are geisha balls?

If its rude im never reading your stories again!!!!

They rattle while you walk so people can hear you coming a mile away ……. :wink:

[J_in_France]

@toybulldog wrote:

Lawrence case always reminds me of that poor Kris Donald, 15 years old, kidnapped by an Asian Muslim gang, tortured and then set alight as he bled to death.

Just looked this up on Wikipedia – very interesting reading and another waste of a young life

[J_in_France]

@panda12 wrote:

@j_in_france wrote:

@panda12 wrote:

@mrs_teapot wrote:

Actually, I haven’t seen thin questioning the guilt of these people?

I think his concern was the police investigation and if the evidence and adherence to law would stand up to scrutiny in an appeal if indeed that happens.

I haven’t seen anyone here question if these people were guilty? they were found guilty… thats end of it in my book but its true there may be an appeal.

@thin ice wrote:

the appeal will make bigger head lines

blood that appeared after 18 years

sounds very suspect to me

who would trust the police

to sit on that pile of clothes then pop them out after 18 years with dif results.

You need to go to specsavers, then.

Panda – I don’t think anyone here is doubting the decision of the jury and it is good to finally see someone convicted for this case

So:

@thin ice wrote:

the appeal will make bigger head lines

blood that appeared after 18 years

sounds very suspect to me

who would trust the police

to sit on that pile of clothes then pop them out after 18 years with dif results.

isn’t thin implying he thinks they are innocent due to police corruption, then?

no – he is just asking whether evidence after that long period of time is still admissible – and apparently it is

[J_in_France]

panda12 wrote:

Mrs_Teapot wrote:

Actually, I haven’t seen thin questioning the guilt of these people?

I think his concern was the police investigation and if the evidence and adherence to law would stand up to scrutiny in an appeal if indeed that happens.

I haven’t seen anyone here question if these people were guilty? they were found guilty… thats end of it in my book but its true there may be an appeal.

thin ice wrote:

the appeal will make bigger head lines

blood that appeared after 18 years

sounds very suspect to me

who would trust the police

to sit on that pile of clothes then pop them out after 18 years with dif results.

You need to go to specsavers, then.

Panda – I don’t think anyone here is doubting the decision of the jury and it is good to finally see someone convicted for this case

All that has been expressed is that there may well be an appeal in the future and perhaps the reasons why – though personally having watched a couple of TV programs about the case this evening which could not be aired before the end of the case I think the right verdict was reached and an appeal may be very difficult

[J_in_France]

@panda12 wrote:

@j_in_france wrote:

@thin ice wrote:

yea but you some one who thinks a fox is cute
not exactly convincing are you :P

not sure what a fox has to do with this thread but…..

For there to be an appeal there has to be a significant reason of doubt to contradict the verdict – whether that is possible I don’t know and it will be interesting to see if the defence are able to find a case for that

I do agree with the point that the press these days have a huge influence in peoples views of what could happen in various cases, for example the Jo Yeates case and the vilification of the landlord

Referral to foxes is because thin ice can’t think of anything further to say in support of these racist thugs and his belief they didn’t have a fair trial, despite the evidence and the best efforts of the judge.

I agree with your post regarding the appeal.

The landlord in the Jo Yeates case was very wrongly vilified but justice prevailed in the end and it would have been very unlikely that Chris Jeffries would ever have faced trial as there simply wasn’t enough evidence against him. One also needs to remember that the actual perpetrator, Vincent Tabak, pointed the finger at Jefferies which led to the latter’s arrest.

I don’t agree however, that the press has a huge influence over the views of all the members of the jury.

A member or two perhaps could be tempted to look beyond the actual evidence presented but then they have to justify their verdict to the rest of the jury and that is not easily done, hence the reason there are 12 members of the jury who either all have to agree, or in some cases, a 10 / 2 majority verdict is accepted.

Jurors are warned that if they go and research the case online that it is an offence.

If a juror who pulls a sickie , or a juror who contacts the defendent via Facebook can be found out and be prosecuted, a juror who uses the internet / media to introduce “new evidence” in the retiring room would soon be rumbled unless one thinks all the other jurors would gladly dispense with the evidence and their own integrity to give their verdict based on nothing but heresy.

Perhaps they could.

Perhaps they could all be bribed – after all, it has been alleged that Clifford Norris’s did it once for his son David when he was on trial for attempted murder:

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16141572

However, I can’t see the Lawrence’s resorting to such underhanded tactics as bribery to secure this conviction.

Panda – I never mentioned anything about jury’s – I just said about peoples perception of things being influenced by media coverage – whether jury’s are influenced by media coverage I would not comment upon

[J_in_France]

@minim wrote:

@j_in_france wrote:

@minim wrote:

Nevermind who will thinks are baddies…. i doubt his opinion is important in the scale of things.

You are cute enough to be both of them Vee, but the other person was rubes! And neither of you are baddies! You are both loverly 8) Mind you I am biased.

So in the scale of things is your opinion any more relevant than will’s? Or for that matter mine lol

Of couse my opinion is more relevant than yours! I am me. :D

Congratulations

[J_in_France]

@chameleon wrote:

Well, such a high profile case. The whole country (apart from the racists) have breathed a sigh of relief. Justice for Stephen and his family. A landmark case hopefully, and messages to racist thugs beware! We hope.
And it’s taken less than a page of seriousness.
Hang your heads in shame.

Agreed Chameleon and watching the ITV program about it at this very moment it is interesting to see a lot of evidence not known before

[J_in_France]

@..Joker.. wrote:

@j_in_france wrote:

@thin ice wrote:

the fox quip implies she has clouded vision jay

I would guess that everyone has their own views and debate is about being able to discuss things reasonably

As I said before there are good points on both sides of this debate and it would be good if it continued as a debate

This isn’t a debate Its the views of one person being ridiculed by another. Now a good debate would ensue if the discussion centred around the reasoning for so many lives being sacrificed in Afghanistan so that we “The British” can keep our tongues firmly implanted in the elbow known as America.

Wrong Joker – debate can be about any subject – the weather, football, politics, etc

[J_in_France]

@minim wrote:

Nevermind who will thinks are baddies…. i doubt his opinion is important in the scale of things.

You are cute enough to be both of them Vee, but the other person was rubes! And neither of you are baddies! You are both loverly 8) Mind you I am biased.

So in the scale of things is your opinion any more relevant than will’s? Or for that matter mine lol

[J_in_France]

@thin ice wrote:

the fox quip implies she has clouded vision jay

I would guess that everyone has their own views and debate is about being able to discuss things reasonably

As I said before there are good points on both sides of this debate and it would be good if it continued as a debate

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