[Pete]

and i’d still argue why cull them at all

[Pete]

@(f)politics? wrote:

I read something similar actually pete
And would love to agree with you cos i do think foxes are beautiful creatures, but im afraid those stats are rubbish
Ask all the farmers around here they have increased admittedly not a huge amount but its early days still and they are still hunting of sorts anyway, just less effectively.
i do wonder though where they get these stats from im guessing the 160 different sites are less than rural and where hunts are not so abundant as they are in rural UK

but foxes are territorial poli and breed dependant on the population in the area so if you kill foxes they will breed more conversely if ya leave them alone they will breed less Foxes hunt mainly rabbit and i’m sorry but i dont for one second believe pro hunting farmers who claim they are on the increase and are a grave economic threat to their farming

[Pete]

@(f)politics? wrote:

i can see you points totally but …….
They do need controlling so what is the answer if not fox hunting, it certainly isnt with marksman as i have previously stated
so we stop our huntsmens hounds (the hounds chase the fox btw the people on horseback follow )chasing the foxes now what ?
i suppose we should put all the cats out of circulation too for chasing and torturing rats and mice and birds too ?
Oh and when the rats multiply even more and start coming in our homes and chewing our wires destroying our homes we let them cos its cruel to stop them ?
These foxes killing a farmers livestock (their living) you know the ones all the non vegetarians tuck into for Sunday lunch roast lamb, its ok that about 10 of his playmates were slaughtered by a fox at least we got this one for lunch.

Dont get me wrong foxes are beautiful creatures but we need to control them and the best way is by getting rid of the old and infirm ie foxhunting

Hunting ban did not lead to fox increaseJames Meek, science correspondent The Guardian, Thursday September 5 2002 Article historyAbout this articleClose This article appeared in the Guardian on Thursday September 05 2002 . It was last updated at 10:10 on September 05 2002. The ban on fox hunting during last year’s foot and mouth outbreak did not lead to an increase in the number of foxes, scientists reported yesterday, undermining the hunting lobby’s claims that their pastime is an extravagant but necessary form of pest control.
Researchers worked out that the ban, which lasted for almost a year, was having no impact on fox numbers by counting fox faeces, or scats, in 160 randomly selected squares, a kilometre along each side, before and after the outbreak.

The research was funded by the International Fund for Animal Welfare and the RSPCA. But it will be difficult for hunters to dismiss it as biased because it was carried out by the Mammal Society, an independent scientific society with no corporate policy on hunting, and is published today in one of the world’s two most prestigious peer-reviewed science journals, Nature.

“[This] is the first scientific study on the impact of hunting on fox numbers, and it shows clearly that hunting plays no role in regulating fox numbers,” said Stephen Harris, the society’s chairman and a biologist at Bristol University.

“In fact these results add weight to the argument that foxes regulate their own numbers and that all forms of fox culling are less important than hitherto believed.”

There are almost a quarter of a million adult foxes in Britain, giving birth to about 425,000 cubs a year. To stop fox numbers growing, almost two thirds need to die each year, so even a one year ban (in 2001 there was a complete ten-month ban, followed by a partial two month ban) should have led to a rise in the fox population if the hunting lobby’s arguments were right.

The Mammal Society had been conducting a survey of fox numbers before foot and mouth broke out, so it had a baseline with which to calculate before and after fox populations.

In the chosen squares, surveyors walked along hedgerows, field edges and river banks – used by foxes in winter – examining the ground each step of the way for scats.

Each square was visited twice in 1999 and 2000, before foot and mouth, and twice again this year. On the first of each set of visits, surveyors removed old scats. On the second, they counted fresh scats, arriving at an estimate of fox numbers.

Far from increasing, it appeared numbers had declined slightly, although the decline was not statistically significant. Regionally, fox numbers were up in eastern England and down in southern England.

[Pete]

@sir Actor wrote:

@~Pebbles~ wrote:

@pete wrote:

Basil Brush i’d happily strangle him Of course i’d be strangling someones wrist cause ya see he aint a real fox he’s a puppet

lmfaooo :lol: :lol: :lol:

poor old pete. don’t tell him about santa ffs. :wink:

you just dont get it at all do ya :roll:

[Pete]

Fox hunting wasnt effective as a culling method it did very little to affect numbers and foxes take still born or weak lambs it aint got a chance against a defensive mother as for killing frenzy the fox given time and opportunity will return to take and bury the prey as a larder so to speak

[Pete]

@sir Actor wrote:

@pete wrote:

@sir Actor wrote:

My point is this Pete.
The ban on fox hunting was introduced by the looney left.
I am just reminding everybody what the looney left are all about.
They are responsible for a variety of issues that affect our everyday lives.
The fact that you are so hung up on representing the fox in all of this is your business.
:evil:

your point was this was about fox hunting then you went off on a f*cking ramble about the loony left
So lets stick to the point you want to hunt foxes why???

Wrong.
I want fox hunting re-introduced.
It shouldn’t have been banned in the first place.
As I’ve already pointed out the government who abolished it are already a disaster and I’ve pointed out why they are a disaster.
And your argument is that you want the ban to continue because you watched Basil Brush as a child.

you want to hunt foxes is the same as re introduced ffs are you on drugs or what
so your argument is they went to war with Iraq let Polish people in therefore theyre rubbish and so must the ban on fox hunting be rubbish so repeal it yes?
And apart from the fact that i never once mentioned Basil Brush i’d happily strangle him Of course i’d be strangling someones wrist cause ya see he aint a real fox he’s a puppet and therefore not even relevant to your argument
So let’s have some rational argument for reintroducing the hunting of foxes

[Pete]

I know where this is going but what the hell

no i didnt

[Pete]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

[Pete]

@~Pebbles~ wrote:

@pete wrote:

@~Pebbles~ wrote:

you know that new dfs advert where they saw the sofa’s in half, what opera is that song from?? :?

http://www.dfsonline.co.uk/tv_streaming_1.php

O mio babbino caro (O my beloved daddy) from the opera Gianni Schicchi by Puccini

damn youre good! thanks. Ive never seen an opera, but i’d like to. What do you recommend for a 1st one? Have you seen Madama Butterfly or La Traviata?

never seen one in my life pebbles to be honest i googled the answer to your question :shock: Would seem to make sense to see one of the more popular operas as your first though i’d have thought :)

[Pete]

@sir Actor wrote:

My point is this Pete.
The ban on fox hunting was introduced by the looney left.
I am just reminding everybody what the looney left are all about.
They are responsible for a variety of issues that affect our everyday lives.
The fact that you are so hung up on representing the fox in all of this is your business.
:evil:

your point was this was about fox hunting then you went off on a f*cking ramble about the loony left
So lets stick to the point you want to hunt foxes why???

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