[Pete]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/18/hunting-ban-tory-return

[Pete]

And foxes do not kill for fun, only humans do that. Given the time foxes will take and store their prey. As for struggling farmers they appear to able to afford the poisons to kill birds of prey whether they be rare or not. It’s arrogance pure and simple. As for disease, what mange ? hardly a killer.
We battery farm, we kill for no reason we simply dont really care as a species

[Pete]

Not as significant as hypothermia it seems though they dont seem to want to do anything about that probably because they have to spend money rather than generate it from hunting. It’s wrong it’s cruel and it’s banned

[Pete]

@(f)politics? wrote:

@pete wrote:

But they dont need controlling, no one ever gives any facts as to why they need any form of control just simply states its needed. It’s an excuse to justify barbarism and it’s illegal. Given this is a democracy and the majority want hunting banned then banning is right and proper

I have given a few reasons why they need controlling the main one being disease as well as the pointless massacre of livestock, and the 5% u talk of i have no idea if those stats are true but 5% of a farmers stock can be a difference between ruin and not. Some farmers infact many make little more than that profit each year, and no it isnt poor husbandry at all ffs, thats like saying well my wifes due to give birth sometime in the next month so lets not let her leave the room until after she has, it can happen at any time, and as hard working as farmers are including getting up in the middle of the night during lambing season and aiding the sheep with problem births they cannot watch them 24/7.
I for one would be more than happy to scent hunt rather than fox hunt as i am an animal lover and i think they are beautiful creatures, but they DO need managing and it is the as so far as been proved the most effective and natural and indeed fair way to do it, i dont want to have healthy young foxes shot gassed or trapped, but the diseased and they carry plenty, and the old and infirm are the ones that a hunt catches and the ones that are usually responsible for most farmyard massacres also. The young and fit just dont get caught or atleast extremely rarely, and that is FACT. No stats actual FACT.

•According to MAFF, predation of foxes on lambs is nationally ‘insignificant’. Studies show that lamb losses are between 10% and 24% from hypothermia, malnutrition or disease, but even sheep farmers only claim that only 0.5% are due to foxes.

[Pete]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrOGhk-ehRo

quick death my arse

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-862586154091165213#

they go to earth they’re safe ?

How anyone can condone that sort of thing is beyond me, mans arrogance in the belief they can do whatever they like astounds and disgusts me at times

[Pete]

Foxes are not significant predators of farm livestock

•Foxes are highly adaptable and live mostly on earthworms, rodents, rabbits and carrion. For this reason foxes are of positive benefit to most farmers.

•Foxes are expert scavengers which is why they have been so effective in establishing urban fox populations. Foxes will prey on ground nesting birds but rarely on lambs.

•Post-mortem evidence has demonstrated that lambs taken by foxes are likely to be either already dead or weak, non viable lambs.

•According to MAFF, predation of foxes on lambs is nationally ‘insignificant’. Studies show that lamb losses are between 10% and 24% from hypothermia, malnutrition or disease, but even sheep farmers only claim that only 0.5% are due to foxes.
Hunting does not control fox populations

•Hunts kill around 20,000 foxes a year, but this is only 3% of the fox population.

•The fox population is governed by the year round availability of food in defended territories.

•Where foxes are persecuted by humans more cubs are produced to restore their population levels.

•Studies in Europe have shown that fox populations can survive losses of up to 70% and still recover fully in the following year.

•Where foxes are killed this merely created a vacant territory which will be quickly filled by other foxes.

[Pete]

@(f)politics? wrote:

@pete wrote:

Foxes do not need controlling though they dont need gassing or shooting, if fox hunting is strictly “pest” control why did the Isle of Wight import foxes to hunt ? A sheep is more than a match for a fox, it’s killing for killings sake, it does nothing to keep the numbers down

Foxes are not only clever they are opportunists, and to see a half ripped apart lamb while a ewe is giving birth i wouldnt say that is fair odds, as a rle its poultry and young lambs that foxes take and brutally massacre others when taking one for themselves thats where the issue often lies, and a day old lamb isnt any match, and foxes are way to quick for most sheep.

and the main reason for lamb mortality is poor husbandry, less than 5% of lamb deaths are down to animals and that includes dog attacks.

[Pete]

But they dont need controlling, no one ever gives any facts as to why they need any form of control just simply states its needed. It’s an excuse to justify barbarism and it’s illegal. Given this is a democracy and the majority want hunting banned then banning is right and proper

[Pete]

72% of those in rural areas do not want fox hunting legalised.

[Pete]

The reasoning the pro hunters come out with is flawed, in fact it’s outright lies, it’s done for the hunting and for no other reason

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