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@sharongooner wrote:
@rubyred wrote:
I think in the Bulger case there was one of each.. one cruel,one misguided. but together it was a lit fusewire. your analogy of wars is correct. im speaking at a baser level..as in one of they could be living next door :)
watching an interesting docu right now on bbc2,about 9/11 now wonder who was the instigator there :) but thats another argument.
sometimes we all stare the devil in the face,but the majority can ignore him :)
or just scrape past with a fleeting moment of madness that we regret.
But at least we/most people have regret/remorse.
indeed my love,, and i doubt very much if either of us have did anything quite so bad,, I once cut a worm in half ! and cried about it afterwards when stitching it together didnt work ! These are childhood maladies,,all part of development. and there is sheer wickedness..!
knowing my luck i shall come back as an earthworm ;)
I think in the Bulger case there was one of each.. one cruel,one misguided. but together it was a lit fusewire. your analogy of wars is correct. im speaking at a baser level..as in one of they could be living next door :)
watching an interesting docu right now on bbc2,about 9/11 now wonder who was the instigator there :) but thats another argument.
sometimes we all stare the devil in the face,but the majority can ignore him :)
the geordie bird ( jennifer) is hanging by a thread and will be punted on Friday :)
its the sheer cruelty that gets me mims. life is cruel in the natural world.. its more worrying what makes them think about it in first place. You hit on the Bulger case. they spent days asking if without the other,nothing would have happened..a bit like evil meeting evil..is it a form of inward dare ?
were they basically good kids,who met on a random night and somehow brought out the evil in each other,to blind a deer etc? makes me shiver !
Maybe Equus was more than a work of fiction after all ?
im not too sure i WANT to “fathom” it shazza.. for the life of me i cannot begin to imagine what goes on in their heads.
sheest i was a child who brougt limping pigeons home..much to the ” oh no NOT another one” from my parents. psychologists are now trained to ask if their studies tortured animals when young.. I agree its a major giveway for later crime.
I understand how they could NOT name and shame at the time,as feelings were running high,and someone would have taken the law into own hands. No doubt the perpetrators got a nintendo Wii , and told not to do it again !
we had a dreadful thing up here about a year ago,, kids broke into a little zoo we have and blinded and killed the wee animals.. there was an uproar of disgust,and worse when they got a slap on the wrist. little bastirds..!
A DUNDEE MP is to write to Scottish ministers underlining public disquiet over the behind-closed-doors decision not to pursue charges against children accused of torturing animals at Camperdown Wildlife Centre.
While against any form of “naming and shaming,” Dundee West parliamentarian Jim McGovern said there was room for greater transparency in the children’s hearing system.
Two youngsters accused of being involved in the horrific incident at Camperdown in the summer appeared before children’s hearings in the city last week.
Those hearings were held behind closed doors but it subsequently emerged that a decision had already been taken by the Scottish Children’s Reporter Administration to drop charges relating to animal welfare at the council-run park.
That decision has prompted widespread outcry, with scores of city dwellers signing a petition calling for a review to be carried out by the Scottish Government.
Asked about the case last night, Mr McGovern said, “The interests of the child has to be paramount in the whole system.
“I am certainly against any sort of naming and shaming because of the stigma that can be attached at school and beyond.
“I can understand why people are emotive about this particular case. What happened at the wildlife park was disgraceful, terrible.
“I would agree that the public has a right to know why something is not being pursued. There is room for greater transparency in the system, to know who is making decisions and why.
“I will be writing to the appropriate minister and using this particular case as an example, pointing out that there is public disquiet in my constituency about how this decision was reached.”
A painstaking police investigation, including a fingertip search of enclosures, was launched in the aftermath of the break-in to the wildlife centre in July.
A deer had been slashed with a craft knife, several otters beaten with clubs and a terrapin’s eyes gouged out. A snowy owl was so distressed it killed its chicks.
Three children, all aged under 14, were subsequently arrested. It is understood that one child has been referred to a social worker while two appeared at the children’s hearings.
While a decision had already been taken that the available evidence in relation to the animal welfare charges did not meet the “beyond reasonable doubt” test, there was concern that children were out unsupervised at the park so late in the evening.
The children’s cases were continued for further investigation. The social work department will continue to work with both children.
For legal reasons neither youngster can be identified. It is not clear if, or when, there will be any further hearing in either case. No interim orders were made.
The internet-based petition website was launched after the shock decision to drop the charges was revealed by The Courier last week.
“We the undersigned demand that the decision by the Children’s Panel…be immediately investigated by Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill,” states the petition.
“These toothless and frankly useless Children’s Panels are allowing children to get away scot-free for some of the most heinous of crimes.”
It added, “Every decent citizen has once again been let down by a so-called justice system.”
Many of the signatories at http://www.justicenow.co.uk described the decision as an “outrage” which sent out the wrong message to society in general and young people in particular.
“What happened to respect for people and animals?” asked Kellie Hanton, one of the more than 160 people who had signed the document by late yesterday.
“Something needs to be done quickly before something like this happens again, and I think the kids responsible should be punished for their actions—they knew exactly what they were doing.”
An anonymous posting added, “Too often I think some kids, because of our ‘society way of thinking,’ don’t take responsibility for the results of their behaviour.
“Too often the blame is put on other things such as ‘their background etc,’ but the end point is—we are all responsible for our actions, no matter our backgrounds.”
Another stated, “I strongly object to the decision which has been reached and feel this should be re-considered.”
yah.. Thats Jen gone then,,thank fook. ! wonder if stu and dale will have a hot homersexual ( sic) relationship :) Never saw someone change tactics,quite as fast as BEx has in the last few days. She is brown-nosing the wrong lot too ! Poor fool.
nah she is getting on my wick too..she seems to think she is in with the “in” crowd now..they will dump her the minute another attractive person comes in and she will be deemed as non worthy of them !
yeah ya have a lifetime for family hols hon.. and the boys are not being left out if their getting their school trips. cherish all this as soon as ya blink they grow up in ya :) x
If its anything like Tea in park,,the tickets for next year go on sale tomorrow ! ya should make a date with yourself to DO something about it,get the tickets ,then arrange for your zoo to be looked after. even the laddies would love it,as there are loads for them too at such events. Or better still,leave the laddies with DAve and we will all go :) hehe x
