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@sceptical guy wrote:
Tel, I’m not getting into a yes it does, no it doesn’t debate. That’s for morons.And I welcome the cosmopolitan nature of the economy. I maintain good relations with Polish people, who are good people on the whole. Their accent doesn’t bother me.
The main problem lies in regulating a decent wage for all to make sure everyone’s wages aren’t reduced to the lowest level. That’s a general problem with markets, not with Europe. In the US black migration to the North a century ago threatened white workers wages, and the whites reacted with vicious racism, killing many in pogroms.
Regulating wages, not a vicious nationalist politics, is the answer.
Sgt pepper, it’s not immigration which is the problem but a financial crisis which has hit all the developed Western world – the US, Britain, the eurozone It took everyone by surprise, and in reaction neo-Nazi groups like Golden Dawn in Greece and a nativist right-wing politics in France and here are making headway. I feel sure this nativcist resurgence can be eventually contained – for all our sakes, I hope it is.
The real problem is understanding why the financial system crashed and, most worrying, whether there’s a tendency for it to keep crashing, which is my fear (there’s been increasing evidence of that in the past 30 yrs). Then how do you move to a situation where we are much more secure in our social environment.
The nativist politics which blames it all on immigrants doesn’t even address the question – we can kick out everybody who seems ‘different’ and still end up in a financial catastrophe.
The problem isn’t Poles (here) or Afghans (in Greece) or gypsies (in France and Italy) – it’s a problem in the banking system, and we’d better see to it pdq.
What absolute rubbish. :roll:
@sceptical guy wrote:
Our long-term future lies in Europe.
No, it doesn’t.
@sceptical guy wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
Just love the way that somebody has to bring immigrants into it. Typical. :roll:
in full agreement with you there, Panda
Oh I’m so sorry for daring to bring my opinion into it.
It’s not a debate on the EU, but there’s no doubt in my mind that the EU has burdened us with problems.
Employment, housing, immigration and education are some of the issues touched upon by Kenty. Each of those areas has been affected by controversial government policy towards European integration. And not in a good way.
I long for the time when I can go a whole day without hearing a Polish accent.
If we get Europe sorted then we can do whatever else needs to be done to clear up the mess of the last Labour government. But, like I said, it needs a strong leader with vision to sort the mess out and Cameron doesn’t even come close.
:shock: Oh crap, I’m in a political debate again. I hate it when that happens!
Always put people who use pink fonts on ignore. :!:
@kent f OBE wrote:
The statement is from a newspaper…not my personal opinion
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@mrs_teapot wrote:
As far as Europe is concerned I used to be pro Europe… but Im sort of coming around to Terry’s way of thinking….. not persuaded yet but certainly not as pro Europe as I used to be…. we need some open debate… with facts and figures and no spin!
What we need is an end to european integration.
The Poles have sent home – according to a national statistics survey – £23 billion in the last seven years. It’s money our economy cannot afford to lose. It’s basic economic madness for this country to allow east Europeans to work here in the numbers they do.
@sceptical guy wrote:
And Terry, sorry mate, couldn’t disagree with you more. We had the referendum on Europe.
the neo-Nazis could do very well in Greece’s lection, I believe, and look at Le Pen in France and the UKIP/BNP here). In the long term, Europe is where Britain’s destiny lies.
1) We’ve not had a referendum on Europe. If we had we wouldn’t be part of the EU any longer.
2) UKIP are not a “neo-nazi” party. :roll:
This country’s problem can only be solved one step at a time and it’s essential that we get out of Europe as soon as we can so we can start the process of rebuilding.
I think we need a government that will bring about positive change.
One things’s for certain – we’re not going to get it with David Cameron.
We need to get ourselves out of the EU with a national referendum and start from there.
