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@Sgt Pepper wrote:
Surely immigration (and indeed emigration) are crucial factors in most (if not all) things socio-political panda?
I see no wrong whatsoever in Terry being able to say what he said.. I may agree or disagree politically of course (though it’s hard to argue with such cold, hard figures).
But, a statement like this should be deemed reasonable to debate as opposed to dismissing it as some form of taboo subject no?
It’s relevant.Well Pepper, how do you see the human race? All God’s children or are we broken down into individual races?
Panda if you want to start a new thread on that go ahead…. but dont ruin threads with your silly racist remarks… there is only one person here has race issues … thats you, Terry’s remarks were based on sound economic fact… all you do is try to make racist argument where there are none..
I know Im playing into your hands posting this… well so be it… had to be said
@terry wrote:
@sceptical guy wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
Just love the way that somebody has to bring immigrants into it. Typical. :roll:
in full agreement with you there, Panda
Oh I’m so sorry for daring to bring my opinion into it.
Opinion? Xenophobia? Racism?
When I was a kid growing up it was the Indians and West Indians who got the blame for all the ills in this country.
Now it’s the East Europeans.
Boring!
@sceptical guy wrote:
Sgt pepper, it’s not immigration which is the problem..
I never said immigration was a problem sceptical.
I said it’s an issue.
That’s irrefutable.
To deny that is nonsense.It’s an issue amongst many.
As far as it being a problem.. that’s for one’s own politics and outlook.MY problem was Terry’s perfectly reasonable post on the issue being dismissed simply because he BROUGHT IT UP.
Actually, I’m going to let someone much better than me elucidate here.
For those truly interested in this subject, please indulge me and give THIS article your consideration.I’d love to hear people’s opinions ..
@mrs_teapot wrote:
Panda if you want to start a new thread on that go ahead…. but dont ruin threads with your silly racist remarks… there is only one person here has race issues … thats you, Terry’s remarks were based on sound economic fact… all you do is try to make racist argument where there are none..
I know Im playing into your hands posting this… well so be it… had to be said
Please point out my “silly racist remarks?”
@panda12 wrote:
@mrs_teapot wrote:
Panda if you want to start a new thread on that go ahead…. but dont ruin threads with your silly racist remarks… there is only one person here has race issues … thats you, Terry’s remarks were based on sound economic fact… all you do is try to make racist argument where there are none..
I know Im playing into your hands posting this… well so be it… had to be said
Please point out my “silly racist remarks?”
Im not playing your games panda…. read them for yourself…… this is my last reply to you
I havent read any of this and just want to say that i hope that the future is brighter for our children than the past was for us.
@mrs_teapot wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
@mrs_teapot wrote:
Panda if you want to start a new thread on that go ahead…. but dont ruin threads with your silly racist remarks… there is only one person here has race issues … thats you, Terry’s remarks were based on sound economic fact… all you do is try to make racist argument where there are none..
I know Im playing into your hands posting this… well so be it… had to be said
Please point out my “silly racist remarks?”
Im not playing your games panda…. read them for yourself…… this is my last reply to you
You mean you can’t, lol :D
great piece Sgt and pretty much hits the nail on the head, as to the direction this thread as swerved to.
Censorship is no longer done by governments or the church, but by authoritarian single-issue political interest groups, pseudo-liberal journalists and agenda-driven quangos.
Empowered by our crazy thought-and-speech laws, and liberated by the endless Nuremberg Rally that is the internet, they can make dissent too hideously unpleasant for most people to risk. So who is now the fascist?
indeed!
@sceptical guy wrote:
Tel, I’m not getting into a yes it does, no it doesn’t debate. That’s for morons.And I welcome the cosmopolitan nature of the economy. I maintain good relations with Polish people, who are good people on the whole. Their accent doesn’t bother me.
The main problem lies in regulating a decent wage for all to make sure everyone’s wages aren’t reduced to the lowest level. That’s a general problem with markets, not with Europe. In the US black migration to the North a century ago threatened white workers wages, and the whites reacted with vicious racism, killing many in pogroms.
Regulating wages, not a vicious nationalist politics, is the answer.
Sgt pepper, it’s not immigration which is the problem but a financial crisis which has hit all the developed Western world – the US, Britain, the eurozone It took everyone by surprise, and in reaction neo-Nazi groups like Golden Dawn in Greece and a nativist right-wing politics in France and here are making headway. I feel sure this nativcist resurgence can be eventually contained – for all our sakes, I hope it is.
The real problem is understanding why the financial system crashed and, most worrying, whether there’s a tendency for it to keep crashing, which is my fear (there’s been increasing evidence of that in the past 30 yrs). Then how do you move to a situation where we are much more secure in our social environment.
The nativist politics which blames it all on immigrants doesn’t even address the question – we can kick out everybody who seems ‘different’ and still end up in a financial catastrophe.
The problem isn’t Poles (here) or Afghans (in Greece) or gypsies (in France and Italy) – it’s a problem in the banking system, and we’d better see to it pdq.
What absolute rubbish. :roll:
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