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Do explain, what is it that Putin has “got”?
Putin has got feels
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so steering the car into a ditch, I have got out the car and continued my journey without you.
Well, you’ve hit a brick wall with your car in this question. Something tells me you wont be answering this one anytime soon x
Do explain, what is it that Putin has “got”?
Then he plays the misquote game, demonstrating he is dishonest. Are you really this desperate for attention Alfred?
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Good night.
so steering the car into a ditch, I have got out the car and continued my journey without you.
Well, you’ve hit a brick wall with your car in this question. Something tells me you wont be answering this one anytime soon x
Do explain, what is it that Putin has “got”?
randomly lobbing needless distractions into the debate
Such as?
I reject that. I haven’t left the topic of bombs in Syria any more than you have.
Why do you wish to pick fault with me? rather than pick fault with my arguments and writings?
Have I got personal towards you?
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Can you not have adult debate without swipes? because I disagree with you?
grow up x
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Morgan..
I agree this is a good topic, and I shall try to bring it back on track.
I’ve read back and I think where it went a bit off track was with this post.
Someone explain to Morg…. there is no nuclear war, if and buts and this and that doesn’t change that one iota, the Middle East region is being carved up and Russia took her chance to get her slice.
Can we get back on track from here?
Yes someone please explain to me. As I’ve lost it from this point. We digressed over semantics, and never picked it up again.
the key sentence is here,
Someone explain to Morg…. the Middle East region is being carved up and Russia took her chance to get her slice.
I’m aware there is a civil war in Syria, and it is being “carved up”. There’s more to the middle east region than just Syria. How are Jordan, Israel, Lebanon, Iraq, (Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, etc,) part of this carve up? geographically or otherwise? What recent shifts of power influence has or is happening in these other middle easternern countries as part of the new carve up? On the whole, it seems quite stable to me, with of course the exception of Syria and Yemen.
But even bigger questions to answer for me. I really do need it explaining, Ge can confirm this.
Russia has “got” her slice. Could someone elaborate what exactly Russia’s slice is? How concrete is this slice they have got? Will it be there in a years time? Who else has a slice? How many slices are there? Have there been any recent changes of slice owners? What would be the better slices to have?
scep contributes to try to help me understand
The re-carving Gerry is referring to is the emergence of Iran and Putin moving in to get his slice of the pie again.
Iran / Persia has always been a major influence in the middle east, so nothing new emerging there, Soviet / Russia had influence in Egypt before, so nothing really new there. Who are the big shots in the Middle East ? Israel? Saudi ? Iraq? can we have a re carving of the middle east region if all the regional heavyweights remain unaffected influence or geographically speaking? I can’t see Israel, Saudi, Iraq, Kuwait or Jordan coming under either Russian or Iranian influence anytime soon. Can you?
Unfortunately sceps attempt to help clarify only confounds the issue for me.
scep, what exactly is Putin’s slice of the pie he has got, or is getting?
moreso, how much is it going to “cost him”, and is it really worth it?Think about it. That’s why its been available for him to go and get it, because no one else wants it.
Think about it. The west (quite rightly) had kept out of Syria for years until the Russians involved themselves. We kept out, because there is fuck all there except figs and dates. Nice bit of desert. No oil in Syria. Next door in Iraq you’ll find the oil :)
So, I repeat, How is the middle east region being carved up? what’s in it for Putin? and what is this slice he has got that 2 of you mention, which I fail to see which is anything worth having, mentioning and bragging about?
In this context, ALL Putin has “got” is a very dodgy mate in the middle east no one else wants.
I think you’re a charlatan, Mr Bollox, who sends out a series of McGuffins to deflect arguemnt. You get your history wrong (talking about the Balfour Doctrine!) and then, when confronted with it, revert to semantics.
Re-carving is taken from the carving up of Africa and China in the 1890s. It’s to do with influence, direct and indirect, and that’s how it’s generally understood.
Iran/Persia never had any influence historically in the Middle East. It was a weak kingdom which was occasionally the plaything of competition between the West and Russia before the 1979 Revolution, which installed a Shi’ite regime.
Iran now controls a swathe of territory through Iraq, Syria (potentially) and Lebanon (through Hezbollah). Israel is continually threatening to attack Iran, as is the USA. It’s a question of strategic position, but also economic power (Iran and Iraq are major oil powers). Iranian influence is not unchallenged, but they and the Kurds were the main fighters against ISIS. The Kurds are under attack from Turkey, which may be moving away from the US sphere of influence.. The strategic position of Syria made it the interest of all powers – the US and UK poured arms and technology to the jihadist groups opposing Assad, until Russia moved in. Russia’s support of Iran threatens the whole balance of power in the region.
The US/UK bombing was a success in the most limited terms you could think. The Americans were talking of taking out the Syrian air force (which was moved on to Russian bases), but the end result was an attack which doesn’t seem to have been very effective at It couldn’t be. All sides are frightened of escalation into war between Russia and the US. The Americans couldn’t do much and didn’t do much..
It’s a tale of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Trump tweeted a Trumper, which you quote uncritically. But then like Trump you’re a power-fetishist.
The issue now is why Theresa May took part in the attack when parliament specifically voted against any such interference back in 2013. She made it clear that she wouldn’t consult parliament, and if the attack had been delayed she would be in real trouble. A lot of Tory MPs are unhappy about the attack (Ken Clarke, as usual, is a fount of common sense on all this). It’s the legal and moral basis of the attack. and above all at the moment its flouting of the Commons.
Piss Piss Splash Splash
I’m cleverer than you are…..
Every thread ends up the same, no wonder others don’t join in………….
As an afterthought…. there must be more ‘ high brow, academic’ forums out there, why not join one of them instead of mixing with the ” cocksucking deadwoods” on this one ? Or is it a case of Big Fish Little Pond syndrome…..
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