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@tom wrote:
Especially with the immigrant element of crime now, we’re getting African and Asian gangs armed to the teeth invading Britain.
Struggle to see the direct link between arming the police and immigrants – sure they commit crimes but our home grown criminals seem quite competent enough to keep the police busy.
It would be terrible if we couldn’t even rely on the quality of “our own” criminals!
Do you think “our own” criminals might do a better job if they weren’t having their patch invaded by foreigners?
:?
The majority of the prison population is foreign. The majority of gun crime is commited by blacks & asians.
The statistics don’t lie.
But yes you’re right, I could have worded that better, didn’t mean it to sound as it did.
Crime is crime. I’m for harsher sentences regardless of colour. I’m a strong advocate of capital punishment and every single person in prison should be hanged (except people who are in for self defence, tax dodging, not paying tv license etc).
@tom wrote:
The majority of the prison population is foreign. The majority of gun crime is commited by blacks & asians.
The statistics don’t lie.
But yes you’re right, I could have worded that better, didn’t mean it to sound as it did.
Crime is crime. I’m for harsher sentences regardless of colour. I’m a strong advocate of capital punishment and every single person in prison should be hanged (except people who are in for self defence, tax dodging, not paying tv license etc).
Mmmm?
I think a little bit of digging on that might suggest that those foreigners you talk about are second or third generation British citizens. And a look at court statistics might suggest that you are more likely to be jailed for the same crime if you are afro-caribbean as opposed to being white.
You might also find other correlations between income levels and crime. The point is that it is a complex picture.
No-one denies that black Americans commit proportionately more crime than their white counterparts but nobody blames that on immigration.
Is your attitude on punishment utilitarian? All the evidence is that harsher sentences do not work for the more major crimes such as murder, but they are great for stopping parking offences. I exaggerate slightly but it is a point to consider.
Who the hell is talking about Americans :? :?
@tom wrote:
The majority of the prison population is foreign. The majority of gun crime is commited by blacks & asians.
The statistics don’t lie.
But yes you’re right, I could have worded that better, didn’t mean it to sound as it did.
Crime is crime. I’m for harsher sentences regardless of colour. I’m a strong advocate of capital punishment and every single person in prison should be hanged (except people who are in for self defence, tax dodging, not paying tv license etc).
Another one who needs a gag for his arse. :roll:
@tom wrote:
Who the hell is talking about Americans :? :?
There was a relevant point to be made. You appeared to be blaming black and asian crime on “foreigners” or immigration. You also used the terms immigrant, black/asian and foreign in a confusing way when you were talking about crime and the prison population.
I pointed out that in the USA they don’t blame the fact that there is proportionately more black crime on immigration. There are a range of other factors. As there are here. Maybe I was being too subtle but the whole crime question is more complicated than blaming it on “outsiders”.
Who are the outsiders anyway? And who are the lucky ones who are not foreign? The ones with the “right” genes or the ones who were born here and have the “right” genes. And what about Australians, Poles, Hispanics? They all have the “right” genes. Some of them have the legal right to live here, some of them don’t. Are they included in your foreigners?
What do you want done with these people to solve our gun crime problem?
(With apologies for straying so far from the subject of arming the police)
@tom wrote:
Unfortunately, we may have to arm our police.
With police officers being shot at and having grenades thrown at them – this really is a sign of the times.
Especially with the immigrant element of crime now, we’re getting African and Asian gangs armed to the teeth invading Britain.
Our police need firepower to fight back.
Not like the old days: our criminals only robbed people who had money to spare, and gangs only shot/robbed/stabbed/dealt drugs to their own kind. If they were caught by the police they responded with “It’s a fair cop guv, I’ll come quietly”. Those Victorian prisons were only there for show and the laws against robbery, guns, murders etc were only brought in just in case anyone turned up at Dover looking a little tanned . . . . . .
@wordsworth60 wrote:
@tom wrote:
Unfortunately, we may have to arm our police.
With police officers being shot at and having grenades thrown at them – this really is a sign of the times.
Especially with the immigrant element of crime now, we’re getting African and Asian gangs armed to the teeth invading Britain.
Our police need firepower to fight back.
Not like the old days: our criminals only robbed people who had money to spare, and gangs only shot/robbed/stabbed/dealt drugs to their own kind. If they were caught by the police they responded with “It’s a fair cop guv, I’ll come quietly”. Those Victorian prisons were only
there for show and the laws against robbery, guns, murders etc were only brought in just in
case anyone turned up at Dover looking a little tanned . . . . . .=D>
Not forgetting in the 18th and 19th century we sent them off to the Antipodes ….
“Most of the convicts were thieves who had been convicted in the great cities of England. Only those sentenced in Ireland were likely to have been convicted of rural crimes. Transportation was an integral part of the English and Irish systems of punishment. It was a way to deal with increased poverty and the severity of the sentences for larceny. Simple larceny, or robbery, could mean transportation for seven years. Compound larceny – stealing goods worth more than a shilling – meant death by hanging.”
:shock:
@jen_jen wrote:
I know it’s yesterday’s news, but when the police go out looking for a man reportedly carrying a samurai sword and they end up tasering a blind man carrying a white stick I ask you, do we really want our police to be armed?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-19979184 :shock:
Back to thread…
Not sure about all police being armed … Keep things as they are …with just special circumstances. Police officers are issued with speedcuffs, extendable batons and incapacitant sprays. Tasers, I understand are issued (for use against armed assailants by authorised Firearms officers).
As in everything… Inevitably …mistakes can be made …. Sometimes with alarming results.
:(
Talking of tasers – you gotta get close enough to ‘taser’ someone – not sure I would like to ‘taser’ an aggressive armed person.
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