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This is a view that many (but not all gays) want to be accepted as the truth
And yet there is a wealth of contradicting evidence to the contrary, which is usually available from gay people themselves who either disprove that its factual or dont even buy into it themselves
One of the undeniable aspects of “people” is their diversity, there isnt (IMO) a single thing that people do which is ALWAYS done for the exact SAME reason in every single instance even tho on many topics as an attempt to dumb it down and simplify it for the masses thats whats claimed
And this is a prime example
Not only are their self professing gays who will say they never, not once had any doubts of their sexuality in early years but there are also life long gays who “convert” to “straightdom” which SHOULD if you believe this claim be equally impossible
Add to that a common view with many gays that there is no such thing as bisexuality, and that all self professed bi sexuals are actually gays in denial and their credentials as open minded thinking people is seriously undermined almost to religious proportions as they want their sexuality to be accepted as being what they claim it is but cant even exhibit the same respect to bisexuals
So, homosexuality? Nature or nurture? Or perhaps both for different people?
Actually, just to get the ball rolling heres my view
On the one hand we have indisputeable proof that genetically both the body and brain of foetuses can be flawed in an infinite number of ways from being born with no legs, both genetalia and a whole host of mental misswirings, so with that in mind a much smaller flawed development of simply having a perfectly healthy body of one gender but with the brain pattern of the other doesnt seem so far fetched really
So I think its possible SOME gays are infact born that way, but thats SOME, not all
The rest I think are psychologically gay bar one which is a genuine bonafide bisexual that settles down and I reckon there are about half a dozen quite distinct ways of someone being or becoming gay ranging from flawed genetic misswiring through to simply a choice based on preference
in the 21st century
does it matter@r.O.T.T wrote:
in the 21st century
does it matterSeems to matter to the gays quite a bit actually, and doesnt matter any less or more than any of the other totally eroneous threads on here that dont directly affect 90% of posters
But where social changes are likely based on any issue it then becomes open to scrutiny of and questioning of everyone who wants to question it, thats the whole concept an oligarchy is based on
@r.O.T.T wrote:
in the 21st century
does it matterMore specifically tho, yes it matters
Because if being gay was ONLY genetic then it could be tested for at the foetal change, the causes of it could be identified and either avoided or corrected if the parents to be would prefer a normal child as well as it possibly being hereditary meaning it could be avoided by the selection of better partners where having a gay child was or wasnt wanted
If on the other hand it was found to be enviromental this would be important to separated parents who didnt want their kids “turned” gay by their gay ex and also a consideration of people putting their kids up for adoption and social services when finding foster parents and adoptive parents surely?
And those are just the areas it might “matter” that sprung to mind without really trying to find some so I am sure there will be loads more reasons why it might matter
Ubermik the voice of the gays :D
@sweetass wrote:
What constitutes normality :?: i think you have an underlying issue with homosexuality Uber as you seem to be posting a few threads concerning this issue ….It no longer has the same stigma attached as is did in the 60’s .. embrace your true feelings and be happy with who you are :wink: :lol: 8)
What constitutes “normality” is whats “normal” surely? And if being gay was “normal” we would have been extinct millions of years ago wouldnt we? So being hetero sexual, having two legs, and two arms amongst a myriad of other things are all the “normal” state for a human being
As for “stigma” tho, the claim that gays are born gay is one most loudly spread by gays, so it hardly counts as a “stigma” really when its claimed by the people it applies to
No I don’t think all gay people are born gay. Many probably are, but others are shaped by circumstances like having a bad experience with a member of the opposite sex or through living in a single-sex environment at formative stage in their life.
Also people brought up in a more prudish type of C of E environment where all sexual desire is seen as sin, homosexuality might not seem much more sinful than hetero.
I don’t think anyone is actually born gay, though some have no alternative but to choose it as a lifepath – those with the gay voice (Anthony Cotton) or the gay face (Will Young & Anthony Cotton, who has both factors in his possesion) so it’s debatable.
@johnboy25 wrote:
I don’t think anyone is actually born gay, though some have no alternative but to choose it as a lifepath – those with the gay voice (Anthony Cotton) or the gay face (Will Young & Anthony Cotton, who has both factors in his possesion) so it’s debatable.
What exactly is a “gay face” or a “gay voice” tho? There have been countless singers with effeminate voices who were straight as well as some positively (allegedly) hetero girly looking people and an absolute mass (pardon the pun) of blokey looking women with gruff manly voices who werent bull dykes
Infact a kid who went to my school was an absolute bonefide “mincer”, he would have made Julian Clary seem as butch as Arnold Scwartzneger by comparison and yet turned out to be hetero and still was some 15 years after leaving school despite being one of the “gayest” people I have ever seen
But if you looked at his queen of a father who was his only parent and the mincing crowd of friends he hung about with it was easy to see where he got his mannerisms from which subsequently made his life hell throughout school
Someone who worked for about 10-12 years ago was the complete opposite, a dead spit for antonio banderez (sp??), seemingly oozing masculinity and “maleness” in looks, build, mannerisms and vocals, but was as bent as a 9 bob note and had been since puberty
Society tends to dictate what “seems” gay, much of which is coincidental and circumstantial rather than inseperably linked to fact although sometimes and with some people I would also bet it probably did contribute to some degree to their chosen sexuality but it obviously wont apply to everone
What is a gay face and/or a gay voice? It’s the kind of thing that wins you bets like ‘£20 says Will Young bats for the other team’
Simple, what other explenation is needed?!
Quick edit – this was long before the ‘Exclusive’ news about his sexuality. I could have told them much sooner and for much less than what he must have got paid for the story.
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