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@Mr Bigstuff wrote:

@sweetasbaileez wrote:

@Mr Bigstuff wrote:

Unless it expressly says in the terms and conditions of the travelcard that a person has to remove a hat or sunglasses or any other item that might obscure a face, then the woman is entirely within her rights to refuse to remove her veil. If her photo is in the photocard and her ticket is valid then she is travelling legally and complying by the terms of her ticket as far as I’m aware. You’d have to ask a ticket inspector if you want a definitive answer since I’m just guessing what the legal situation is.

But if her face is not visible, how is the bus driver to know if its a valid photo or not ??? :roll: ](*,) If her face is showing on the photograph then I fail to see how it became an issue for her not to show the bus driver ?? She’s already shown it several times, so where is the issue in showing it again :?: :?: It all boils down to pure ignorance on her part and the fact that she feels she is above the law. No matter how you look at it MrB, the bus driver acted correctly, if it were a young lower class Chav he asked to remove his cap, he would have also been well within his rights to refuse his pass and expect him to pay. Yet the Chav wouldn’t get such a response from the Bus Company would he ???

How can you quote me and yet completely overlook what I’ve said? The way I see it, she probably has the right to refuse to remove her veil unless it says in the terms and conditions of sale that a person has to remove any facial obstruction when asked to by the driver. As I already said, if she has a photocard and a valid ticket then she is not breaking any law so how can she be acting above the law. There’s no law that says you have to remove your veil when travelling on a bus.

The bus driver was trying to do his job properly but he became pedantic. He could have just let her go and then spoke to the bus company about changing their policy. That would have been the right approach. You say the driver was within his rights to refuse her pass but was he? Is he allowed to turn down a valid ticket if he has doubts about the identity of the bearer or does he have to be sure that the bearer and the person in the photo are not the same?

The point I’m trying to make is that if there’s nothing in the terms and conditions that states that a person has to remove a veil or cap or anything like that then surely a person has the right to refuse to remove an item and still be allowed to travel. A person refused travel because they refused to remove an item could probably take legal action against the bus company.

With a passport it’s a different matter because there are serious security and safety issues attached to international travel. Therefore, the people checking passports have a duty of care towards the staff and other passengers (among others) to verify the identity of all travellers.

On reflection, maybe the driver has the right to turn down the pass and the woman has the right not to remove her veil. That being said, because the ticket was valid and there was nothing saying that she had to remove her veil, the woman probably has grounds to sue for the breach of the agreement.

Think yourself lucky you are not a London Bus Driver Mr B!!

It’s up to the bus companies to make it a condition of travel that people have to lift their veils or whatever when asked to by the driver. Otherwise there is a grey area. As I keep saying, if there’s nothing in the terms and conditions that say that a person has to take something off when asked and a person is refused travel, then the passenger could probably take legal action over the bus company failing to provide the service that they were paid for.

Gordon Brown has decided to support Jack straw. It seems like the Labour party has hit the self-destruct button. Your traditional Labour party member/supporter would not agree with a politician dictating what people should or shouldn’t wear especially when it’s part of somebody’s religion. Amazingly, it’s Prescott who sounds the most reasonable over this issue.

@bob2go wrote:

@pats wrote:

@bob2go wrote:

@pats wrote:

a bus driver in liverpool asked a muslim woman to lift her veil so he could compare her face with the one on the buss pass she handed him. she refused.he made her pay her fare. he was later reprimanded for doing his job. go figure.

I figure you made this up (and all the people who hoped it was true couldn’t wait to respond).

nope. tis a true story.

It did happen but in Yorkshire, not Liverpool, and in 1997, not 2006. No point dragging it up again just to give the chatroom racists more ammunition, is there?

boll/ox. :roll: