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@sceptical guy wrote:
yw tinks…
no reason why any thread has to keep on track, momes, but you’re heroic in trying to bring arguments together..
Yes, 340 last I saw, tinks, and rising, I think…
but they are a bit mixed..my local news carried headlines of him sexually assaultng a local woman when she was 13, and it turned out to be a French kiss – inappropriate to say the least, even in that tmore tolerant age, but to call it a sexual assault is to describe the night where all cats are black??.. The groping accusations are one thing – the boss calls you in and gives you a very harsh warning, or the cops pay you a visit, depending on how serious it is…it could have been scotched in the bud.
but some of the accusations are very serious indeed, and really should be subject to criminal rules, with nobody gulity until proven innocent…in fact, if he were alive, I’m not sure a lot of this could be handled in this way as it would create a prejudicial atmosphere to any trial.He who becomes wealthy by razzmatazz, dies through razzmatazz…oh, he is dead. One forgets.
Having some dirty old man push his tongue into your mouth without warning would be an assault at any age. If someone tried that on me, I would be furious! It is an invasion of personal space and taking liberties. If a complete stranger were to do that to you, without warning, an old man with cigar breath, would you just laugh it off? You’d probably punch his lights out, so why would it not be assault when done to a child?
The kiss would be inappropriate yes sexual assault i don’t think so, i think we should concentrate on the real issues here, like if actual sexual assault took place, sorry but yes you maybe offended by a kiss like that and may make you furious, but its on a whole different scale to sexual assault, and delving into that instead of concentrating on the major accusations would be pointless unless used to make a case strong enough perhaps. But over the years many groupies would offer a whole lot more than that, it was a different time to now. If the guy was alive there maybe a small point but as it stands not so, all this is getting so messy and how the hell the police are going to make head nor tale of it god knows, how many accusations are true, how many are fabricated, and how many are exaggerated, but they are almost going to have to build something of this case using whatever they can find, more due to the media and public outcry than for the benefit of those effected.
You have to be so careful these days people will cry “rape” when they havent the faintest idea of the effect that is going to have, or indeed how it can water down those genuine real very sad cases of possible life damaging emotional and mental harm. I wouldn’t want their job now for all the tea in china.It appears that the floodgates are open! Hundreds of accusations over several decades ..involving several others it seems ..
As someone already said ..where will it all end ?
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@(f)politics? wrote:
The kiss would be inappropriate yes sexual assault i don’t think so, i think we should concentrate on the real issues here, like if actual sexual assault took place, sorry but yes you maybe offended by a kiss like that and may make you furious, but its on a whole different scale to sexual assault, and delving into that instead of concentrating on the major accusations would be pointless unless used to make a case strong enough perhaps.
An unwanted kiss of a sexual nature (and you’d be hard pushed to say that a french kiss is not of a sexual nature) is sexual assault.
@(f)politics? wrote:
But over the years many groupies would offer a whole lot more than that, it was a different time to now.
These were young girls, not groupies. What happens between two consenting adults is between them. This was not between two consenting adults.
If you are ever called up for jury service I sincerely hope that you don’t get a case of sexual assault or rape.
@(f)politics? wrote:
The kiss would be inappropriate yes sexual assault i don’t think so, i think we should concentrate on the real issues here, like if actual sexual assault took place, sorry but yes you maybe offended by a kiss like that and may make you furious, but its on a whole different scale to sexual assault, and delving into that instead of concentrating on the major accusations would be pointless unless used to make a case strong enough perhaps. But over the years many groupies would offer a whole lot more than that, it was a different time to now. If the guy was alive there maybe a small point but as it stands not so, all this is getting so messy and how the hell the police are going to make head nor tale of it god knows, how many accusations are true, how many are fabricated, and how many are exaggerated, but they are almost going to have to build something of this case using whatever they can find, more due to the media and public outcry than for the benefit of those effected.
You have to be so careful these days people will cry “rape” when they havent the faintest idea of the effect that is going to have, or indeed how it can water down those genuine real very sad cases of possible life damaging emotional and mental harm. I wouldn’t want their job now for all the tea in china.I think I sometimes really do lose the will to live. Moreso when I read toyfrogboy’s rubbish.
@jen_jen wrote:
If you are ever called up for jury service I sincerely hope that you don’t get a case of sexual assault or rape.
No need to worry jen, i will never be called up for that.
I think its too easy for certain people to lose sight of the really serious supposed crimes here, and whether you call it sexual assault or sexual battery or whatever label you want to use, or not, is irrelevant.
My understanding of this accusation, the one i was responding to, was made by a colleague of savilles, who supposedly walked in on him kissing a 13 year old, i wonder how he knew her age?,(and if they did, did nothing about it ) and i also wonder if this was in anyway forced or as i said a “groupie” not saying its the right thing to do of course not, but the person hasn’t made this complaint from what im aware of, just someone supposedly saw this happen, and we judge it like we saw it with our own eyes, with nothing more than some rumour ?
It is not on a par to what sexual assault can really mean nor anywhere near as damaging, its a completely different beast altogether.
I’ll leave you all to this thread again, i’m not sure how it got personal or when i was put on trial as to ones ability or requirements to be on a jury or not, for merely trying to put forward a more level thought on this particular story rather than some moral outrage in something we actually know nothing about in factual terms just some person saying they saw something between two other people.That kind of debates not for me. I’m sure whatever the outcome of this people won’t be happy with the results.@(f)politics? wrote:
@jen_jen wrote:
If you are ever called up for jury service I sincerely hope that you don’t get a case of sexual assault or rape.
No need to worry jen, i will never be called up for that.
Is that because you have a criminal record?
maybe the word ‘nonce’ will be replaced with ‘savile’ ?
@(f)politics? wrote:
. . . . i’m not sure how it got personal or when i was put on trial as to ones ability or requirements to be on a jury or not, for merely trying to put forward a more level thought on this particular story rather than some moral outrage in something we actually know nothing about in factual terms just some person saying they saw something between two other people.That kind of debates not for me. I’m sure whatever the outcome of this people won’t be happy with the results.
Since we actually know nothing in factual terms, are you sure your ideas are any more level than anyone else’s? Are you sure the views disagreeing with yours are just ‘moral outrage’
I think, know, a number of people have withdrawn from this thread because they feel it’s become quite personal.
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