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  • #1029120

    Rude boy,

    I think the jihadis win hands down if we end the freedom to practise religion in this country.

    I don’t find islam at all attractive, and I think that freedom to practise this or any other faith has to be subject to sensible law – including laws against hate-crimes such as homophobia and fgm.

    Otherwise, Muslims must be free to practise their religion.

    That’s not a naive view of the world. Islam can be interpreted in any number of ways, and most Muslims don’t interpret it in terms of terrorism.

    We should be encouraging these Muslim women as they stand on Westminster Bridge, hand-in-hand, against terrorism; not attacking them.

     

    #1029158

    including laws against hate-crimes such as homophobia and fgm.

    There has never been a single prosecution in the UK for islamic FGM, the police won’t even investigate it.

    #1029160

    If anything more practical can be done, please suggest it and send your views to the Home Office. Anything practical in terms of stopping these lone-wolf attacks, that is.

    End immigration from muslim majority countries.

    Deport all immigrants who have commited crimes.

    Ban foreign invenstment in religious organisation and institutions.

    Random attendance at mosques by under-cover police officers.

    Offer rewards or incentives for reporting verifiable information on potential terrorist attacks.

    Replace those in the police’s management who are responsible for calling off investigations into crimes commited by muslims to avoid accusations of racism.

    Remove the social stigma attached to criticising Islam, although I am not sure how to do this. And I am not sure that the government should be allowed to socially engineer the public in such a way.

     

    #1029710

    So what do you suggest should be done ? Logical answer please, not just some Utopic one.

    I don’t know exactly, but banning foreign investments into mosques would be a start. This would make it harder for Saudi Arabia to promote the Salafi version of Islam they are currently. I would also like to see immigration restrictions on muslim majority countries to be put in place.

    You admit that these are not going to stop the type of killing seen, and your post above doesn’t do anything more than expand the list.

    There is every possibility that the death list form the next terror act could be higher, leading to more calls for vengeance but really nothing more practical.

    The Muslims women holding hands in solidarity with the victims of Westminster Bridge are the main hope of eventually defeating the terrorists.

    #1032168

    BB

    We should be encouraging these Muslim women as they stand on Westminster Bridge, hand-in-hand, against terrorism; not attacking them.

    A passage from the Qur’an:

    Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying. – Qur’an 3:28

    The most authoritative interpretations of this verse are the following, laid out here by three highly regarded scholars:

    Allah said next, “unless you indeed fear a danger from them” meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda’ said, “We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.” Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, “The Tuqyah is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.” – lbn Kathir

    Let not the believers take the disbelievers as patrons, rather than, that is, instead of, the believers — for whoever does that, that is, [whoever] takes them as patrons, does not belong to, the religion of, God in anyway — unless you protect yourselves against them, as a safeguard (tuqātan, ‘as a safeguard’, is the verbal noun from taqiyyatan), that is to say, [unless] you fear something, in which case you may show patronage to them through words, but not in your hearts: this was before the hegemony of Islam and [the dispensation] applies to any individual residing in a land with no say in it. God warns you, He instills fear in you, of His Self, [warning] that He may be wrathful with you if you take them as patrons; and to God is the journey’s end, the return, and He will requite you. – al-Jalalayn

    (Let not the believers take) the believers ought not to take [the hypocrites:] ‘Abdullah Ibn Ubayy and his companions [and] (disbelievers) the Jews (for their friends) so as to become mighty and honourable (in preference to believers) who are sincere. (Whoso doeth that) seeking might and honour [by taking the hypocrites and disbelievers as friends] (hath no connection with Allah) has no honour, mercy or protection from Allah (unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them) save yourselves from them, (taking (as it were) security) saving yourselves from them by speaking in a friendly way towards them with, while your hearts dislikes this.

    Islam forbids Muslims from being friends with non-Muslims. Instead it encourages them to lie and to deceive non-Muslims by feigning solidarity with them in order to defend Islam and their fellow Muslims from reprisals and harm.

    Sarah Waseem, 57, from Surrey, said from the Westminster bridge: “When an attack happens in London, it is an attack on me. It is an attack on all of us. Islam totally condemns violence of any sort. This is abhorrent to us.”

    #1032233

    BB continues to try to whip up a civil war against peaceful muslims.

    How many Muslims live in the UK, BB? Do you know?

    #1032252

    BB continues to try to whip up a civil war against peaceful muslims.

    Peaceful muslims who would vote to put me in prison given a chance to.

    #1032295

    they have a sense of discernment, then :-)

    Sorry, lol

    they won’t get the chance, manga girl, nor any other homophobes, not in this country, people won’t put up with it.

    And BB won’t have a chance of launching an anti-Muslim pogrom, not in this country, people won’t put up with it

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