Organised stalking

I’ve never heard of organised stalking. What is it?

“Well a hell of a lot of stalking is a figment of the “victims” imagination for a start”

I don’t think that is true at all, although, the word is used a lot on the net in a joking way pertaining to overzealous admirers.

The term isn’t being manipulated to “describe what men do” both men and women alike are referred to as stalkers. The term bunny boiler is not a whimsical term it is evil and quite frightening.

“stalking used to be commonly done and still is by women”

The most recent figures from the government’s Criminal Statistics for England and Wales show that in 2003, 5,640 prosecutions were dealt with in magistrates’ courts. Of those, 4,884 defendants were men, 756 women. Of the 2,810 convictions, 2,500 were men, 310 women.
United States National Center for Victims of Crime, one out of every 12 women and one out of every 45 men will be stalked during their lifetime.

I think the stalking laws have been in force for some years so how can it be a new thing?

@lil fek wrote:

I’ve never heard of organised stalking. What is it?

“Well a hell of a lot of stalking is a figment of the “victims” imagination for a start”

I don’t think that is true at all, although, the word is used a lot on the net in a joking way pertaining to overzealous admirers.

The term isn’t being manipulated to “describe what men do” both men and women alike are referred to as stalkers. The term bunny boiler is not a whimsical term it is evil and quite frightening.

“stalking used to be commonly done and still is by women”

The most recent figures from the government’s Criminal Statistics for England and Wales show that in 2003, 5,640 prosecutions were dealt with in magistrates’ courts. Of those, 4,884 defendants were men, 756 women. Of the 2,810 convictions, 2,500 were men, 310 women.
United States National Center for Victims of Crime, one out of every 12 women and one out of every 45 men will be stalked during their lifetime.

I think the stalking laws have been in force for some years so how can it be a new thing?

Figures rarely if ever reflect anything even approaching the truth, even tho they are often delivered as tho they are incontrivertible Fekky

To really get behind any social occurence you also need to first be able to see and secondly be able to comprehend the significance of social pressures, constructs, stereotypes (both interpersonal and organised) and the way they all act on and pull the topic at hand both in social arenas, the media, law courts and peoples own minds which is often so indoctrinated and wide spread it becomes invisible due to being so much of the “norm” to many out looks

Take a similar hot potato such as sexual harassment at work, because of the social climate and the overtly negative view and stance taken with regards it there has for decades been a marked increase in the amount of women bringing and winning actions pertaining to that act. But that doesnt mean theres been an increase in it simply that its become more likely for women to report it as the chance of it being taken seriously and them winning have increased

Nor do those increases even mean the amount won are that severe as the main reason for many such cases being won is merely that the accused was expendable, the woman driven in her pursuit and the cost in man hours and potential legal fees outweighed the validity of looking further, as businesses operate to make money after all

But two points there, many men go through far worse sexual harassment than the women who take up and win such cases, yet many dont even report them and in many cases arent even bothered by them as they dont see it as a big deal, because they will in many work enviroments have to face criticism, jibes about their sexuality, will be seen as weak for “not just taking it like a “man”” and various other deeply ingrained aspects of social conditioning whereas women due to different social conditioning will be more likely to be met with sympathy and concern for the exact same occurences making it less discouraging to progress it

On the female side of the fence it clouds yet further, as the exact same actions (often simply jokes or comments) performed by someone they either like or fancy WONT be taken as “sexual harassment” but willl be responded to and encouraged, whereas someone they niether like nor fancy will be “harassing them” a point of fact many employers are fully aware of, but one they cant usually fully point out due to then being accused of being complicit to the “harassment” or institutionally sexist

And thats just skimming the surface on that topic as the social influencing aspects of the externally viewed and massively simplified occurence go far deeper and spread much wider than any £10 whores legs ever could lol :D

To understand the reasons why “figures” on gender related issues are all but meaningless you first have to factor in the inherrent differences between those genders as you would when comparing two totally different cultures, the driving forces, views, indoctrinated outlooks, peer pressures, social expectations and beliefs of those genders and how each will be viewed by many groups in the exact same situation where the shoe is flipped to the other foot

With stalking as with sexual harassment, violence and even more serious things like DV, and child abuse as a society we massive trivialise such things, divert them, struggle to accept them or medicalise them where women are concerned because they clash head on with a mass of social constructs of what “women” are percieved to be like

Whereas the social constructs for men tend to increase the vehemence in many of those arenas where a man is the perpetrator and lessen the seriousness or cause him ridicule when he is the one claiming to be the victim

As a stark example of how deep such things go without boring you with the whole story a man walks into a night club with a female companion, a few seconds after entry (the bar not the companion btw lol, it wasnt THAT kind of club) another woman jumped on his back scratching at his face fervently whilst several bouncers and the crowd already in the club (men and women) stood by watching, many seeing the hilarity in this extremely teeny woman attacking what was a quite large bloke even tho the blood from her scratching at his face was quite clear

After a short while he dislodged her and with one back handed slap sent her sprawling on her ass at which point the bouncers and some of the crowd pounced on him, whilst others went to see if the woman was ok comforting her near the bar whilst the man was to all intents and purposes beaten up under the guise of being “carried out of the club” randomly being bounced into walls and pillars on the way and spat at, kicked and punched by both men and women in the crowd on the way because he had “hit a woman”, what a rotter lol

As a result he was ejected from the club with his companion, and later lost an eye because of the attack as one of her nails had puncture his eyeball

Now I am sure many in the crowd MIGHT have reconsidered their initial indoctrinated stance if they had learnt that, some might not have even seen the hilarity in the initial unprovoked attack and might even have seen the reaction to it as justified

But the actual reaction to both parts of the exchange is a very clear indication of not only how actions by genders are ingendered into us to view them and react to them differently and en masse but they also arent limited to drunken revellers in clubs, solitary instances or occurences but permeate every level of society and every profession therein as a result

The genders arent equal and they arent the “same” which is mostly because they arent raised to be the same and society itself reinforces that constantly both through social norms and the law, and as a result they wont act the same way in many given situations so mere “figures” never show anything even approaching reality but often just show what the person compiling them wants to show which in itself is driven by the same social indoctrinations I mentioned in many cases

Coming back to this topic, men expect women to “stalk”, so its no big deal to them when it happens, as a result its often seen as comical and because of social constructs of men being a “man” rarely if ever insills fear into them enough to progress it towards legal action, and even when it does the semblance of that then showing “weakness” will often kick in either personally or through peer pressure

And even where actual and justified because its such a “normal” thing where women are concerned and because the social construct of what a woman is tends to be emotional but inneffectively aggressive its not so serious when the actual facts are conveniently overlooked in favour of stereotypes

From a female perspective were far more readily bombarded with how “violent” the man creature is built to be, how many of them are predisposed to be killers and rapists and whatever else is the current media focus, and women are allowed to be scared and weak when it suits them to be so theres no downside to reacting to unwarranted attention to whatever amount someone wants to. so even as a deterrant its not as effective

But socially when a man is genuinely doing the exact same things its nowadays at least seen with a far darker view, coz “men is SOOOO nasty innit”, so as such its quite a good deterrant even when nothing of any real consequence was going on

Again just skimming the surface there, if you want to really see how representative the figures are tho see if you can find any transcripts and compare similar levels of “stalking” with the punishments applied to each gender as only mentioning “prosecutions” often hides an imbalance in what is handed out as a punishment as was clearly the case with child violence as I discovered a few years ago whilst researching it, where judges would on the same day hand out quite severe punishments to men for things such has merely holding a misbehaving child whilst taking them to their parent to explain their misbehaviour, when within hours women who had actually lashed out at children and totally lost it were let off almost scot free by the same judge within hours of each other as ones action was seen as potentially violent whereas the other was dismissed as a momentary “emotional” occurence that should be strived to be controlled in future

I might still have some of the more obviously contradictory transcripts floating around somewhere I can post if you either cant quite see what I am getting at re the social constructs and perspectives of gender or if you just dont believe such things influence the legal system lol

But dont be so easily swayed by what its claimed “figures” show, because they rarely show anything more than the person presenting them wants to make them show

Very accurate indeed ubermik. :wink:

@ubermik wrote:

@lil fek wrote:

I’ve never heard of organised stalking. What is it?

“Well a hell of a lot of stalking is a figment of the “victims” imagination for a start”

I don’t think that is true at all, although, the word is used a lot on the net in a joking way pertaining to overzealous admirers.

The term isn’t being manipulated to “describe what men do” both men and women alike are referred to as stalkers. The term bunny boiler is not a whimsical term it is evil and quite frightening.

“stalking used to be commonly done and still is by women”

The most recent figures from the government’s Criminal Statistics for England and Wales show that in 2003, 5,640 prosecutions were dealt with in magistrates’ courts. Of those, 4,884 defendants were men, 756 women. Of the 2,810 convictions, 2,500 were men, 310 women.
United States National Center for Victims of Crime, one out of every 12 women and one out of every 45 men will be stalked during their lifetime.

I think the stalking laws have been in force for some years so how can it be a new thing?

Figures rarely if ever reflect anything even approaching the truth, even tho they are often delivered as tho they are incontrivertible Fekky

To really get behind any social occurence you also need to first be able to see and secondly be able to comprehend the significance of social pressures, constructs, stereotypes (both interpersonal and organised) and the way they all act on and pull the topic at hand both in social arenas, the media, law courts and peoples own minds which is often so indoctrinated and wide spread it becomes invisible due to being so much of the “norm” to many out looks

Take a similar hot potato such as sexual harassment at work, because of the social climate and the overtly negative view and stance taken with regards it there has for decades been a marked increase in the amount of women bringing and winning actions pertaining to that act. But that doesnt mean theres been an increase in it simply that its become more likely for women to report it as the chance of it being taken seriously and them winning have increased

Nor do those increases even mean the amount won are that severe as the main reason for many such cases being won is merely that the accused was expendable, the woman driven in her pursuit and the cost in man hours and potential legal fees outweighed the validity of looking further, as businesses operate to make money after all

But two points there, many men go through far worse sexual harassment than the women who take up and win such cases, yet many dont even report them and in many cases arent even bothered by them as they dont see it as a big deal, because they will in many work enviroments have to face criticism, jibes about their sexuality, will be seen as weak for “not just taking it like a “man”” and various other deeply ingrained aspects of social conditioning whereas women due to different social conditioning will be more likely to be met with sympathy and concern for the exact same occurences making it less discouraging to progress it

On the female side of the fence it clouds yet further, as the exact same actions (often simply jokes or comments) performed by someone they either like or fancy WONT be taken as “sexual harassment” but willl be responded to and encouraged, whereas someone they niether like nor fancy will be “harassing them” a point of fact many employers are fully aware of, but one they cant usually fully point out due to then being accused of being complicit to the “harassment” or institutionally sexist

And thats just skimming the surface on that topic as the social influencing aspects of the externally viewed and massively simplified occurence go far deeper and spread much wider than any £10 whores legs ever could lol :D

To understand the reasons why “figures” on gender related issues are all but meaningless you first have to factor in the inherrent differences between those genders as you would when comparing two totally different cultures, the driving forces, views, indoctrinated outlooks, peer pressures, social expectations and beliefs of those genders and how each will be viewed by many groups in the exact same situation where the shoe is flipped to the other foot

With stalking as with sexual harassment, violence and even more serious things like DV, and child abuse as a society we massive trivialise such things, divert them, struggle to accept them or medicalise them where women are concerned because they clash head on with a mass of social constructs of what “women” are percieved to be like

Whereas the social constructs for men tend to increase the vehemence in many of those arenas where a man is the perpetrator and lessen the seriousness or cause him ridicule when he is the one claiming to be the victim

As a stark example of how deep such things go without boring you with the whole story a man walks into a night club with a female companion, a few seconds after entry (the bar not the companion btw lol, it wasnt THAT kind of club) another woman jumped on his back scratching at his face fervently whilst several bouncers and the crowd already in the club (men and women) stood by watching, many seeing the hilarity in this extremely teeny woman attacking what was a quite large bloke even tho the blood from her scratching at his face was quite clear

After a short while he dislodged her and with one back handed slap sent her sprawling on her ass at which point the bouncers and some of the crowd pounced on him, whilst others went to see if the woman was ok comforting her near the bar whilst the man was to all intents and purposes beaten up under the guise of being “carried out of the club” randomly being bounced into walls and pillars on the way and spat at, kicked and punched by both men and women in the crowd on the way because he had “hit a woman”, what a rotter lol

As a result he was ejected from the club with his companion, and later lost an eye because of the attack as one of her nails had puncture his eyeball

Now I am sure many in the crowd MIGHT have reconsidered their initial indoctrinated stance if they had learnt that, some might not have even seen the hilarity in the initial unprovoked attack and might even have seen the reaction to it as justified

But the actual reaction to both parts of the exchange is a very clear indication of not only how actions by genders are ingendered into us to view them and react to them differently and en masse but they also arent limited to drunken revellers in clubs, solitary instances or occurences but permeate every level of society and every profession therein as a result

The genders arent equal and they arent the “same” which is mostly because they arent raised to be the same and society itself reinforces that constantly both through social norms and the law, and as a result they wont act the same way in many given situations so mere “figures” never show anything even approaching reality but often just show what the person compiling them wants to show which in itself is driven by the same social indoctrinations I mentioned in many cases

Coming back to this topic, men expect women to “stalk”, so its no big deal to them when it happens, as a result its often seen as comical and because of social constructs of men being a “man” rarely if ever insills fear into them enough to progress it towards legal action, and even when it does the semblance of that then showing “weakness” will often kick in either personally or through peer pressure

And even where actual and justified because its such a “normal” thing where women are concerned and because the social construct of what a woman is tends to be emotional but inneffectively aggressive its not so serious when the actual facts are conveniently overlooked in favour of stereotypes

From a female perspective were far more readily bombarded with how “violent” the man creature is built to be, how many of them are predisposed to be killers and rapists and whatever else is the current media focus, and women are allowed to be scared and weak when it suits them to be so theres no downside to reacting to unwarranted attention to whatever amount someone wants to. so even as a deterrant its not as effective

But socially when a man is genuinely doing the exact same things its nowadays at least seen with a far darker view, coz “men is SOOOO nasty innit”, so as such its quite a good deterrant even when nothing of any real consequence was going on

Again just skimming the surface there, if you want to really see how representative the figures are tho see if you can find any transcripts and compare similar levels of “stalking” with the punishments applied to each gender as only mentioning “prosecutions” often hides an imbalance in what is handed out as a punishment as was clearly the case with child violence as I discovered a few years ago whilst researching it, where judges would on the same day hand out quite severe punishments to men for things such has merely holding a misbehaving child whilst taking them to their parent to explain their misbehaviour, when within hours women who had actually lashed out at children and totally lost it were let off almost scot free by the same judge within hours of each other as ones action was seen as potentially violent whereas the other was dismissed as a momentary “emotional” occurence that should be strived to be controlled in future

I might still have some of the more obviously contradictory transcripts floating around somewhere I can post if you either cant quite see what I am getting at re the social constructs and perspectives of gender or if you just dont believe such things influence the legal system lol

But dont be so easily swayed by what its claimed “figures” show, because they rarely show anything more than the person presenting them wants to make them show

could u condense this into 1 paragraph for me to read Uber lol