Gaz, I know its not like you, but perhaps even you could show a little respect, to those people who have gone before us. I and everyone elso who reads your posts understand that you have problems with the system you live under and the government which enforces it at the moment. However a lot of very good people have worked alot of years, in jobs you describe as menial, low paid and continue to degrade. These people have provided for there families, kept roofes over there head, put food on the table. Taken there families on vacation. Lived, loved and laughed. Possibly they were not as educated as yourself, certainly they were not as opinionated as yourself, yet they set out to raise there families, doing the best they could to make there lives and there country the best they could manage. I am sure they are sorry that, they did not do a better job, so that you can have more welfare, that you never have to answer to anyone to get your hand outs. But then again, they would not have known about that, because as you say, they were working there menial low paid jobs.