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Sensi Soccer.

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@Mr Bigstuff wrote:

Drivel, you’re an absolute idiot. What’s happening now is worse than Watergate and is a modern equivalent of McCarthyism. What sort of moron would support the government torturing people? Answer me this, what would you say if it happened to you? What would you say if the authorities turned up without a warrant and tore apart your house and your belongings in a search? What would you say if you found out that they had put a tap on your phone and a keylogger on your computer all without court approval? What if they decided they had to torture your wife and kids because you didn’t give them the answers they wanted? If you don’t stand up for your rights then you can kiss them all goodbye.

Effectively, the terrorists are winning if some people are so petrified that they surrender their freedom to the government. If we allow the government to manipulate the public and perpetuate a climate of fear for their own ends and if we allow them to create an a quasi-fascist state then we will inevitably destroy our values, change our society for the worse and hand the terrorists a victory over us. It’s an act of cowardice to give up your values in the face of a threat. Hysterically lashing out at the muslims/arabs in our society only breeds dischord and aids the cause of our enemies. It takes more courage to stand by your principles in the face of danger than to panic and give everything up. So while Drivel and American Woman might be waving their white flags in the hope that Tony and George will protect them from the big bad terrorists, the rest of us will face the threat with more dignity and will not compromise the values of our free society just because we’re in danger.

Im in total agreement.

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@drivel wrote:

@Mr Bigstuff wrote:

Another point that dawned on me is that if you torture 100 people, you might get information from 1 guilty person but you will be left with 99 disgruntled. innocent people who will pass on their anger to all their friends and relatives. That scenario is most dangerous in places like Iraq and Afghanistan where winning hearts and minds should have been a priority. Alienating the locals can have fatal consequences.

Bush was saying again yesterday that the war in Iraq was vital to stop the terrorists attacking America. The man has no shame. He’s a lying sack of sh1t. It’s bad enough that a few thousand US soldiers died in his needless war and that he totally screwed up the post-war strategy, but to continue to propagate the bare-faced lie that support for the war and the government was and still is necessary to prevent America being attacked is utterly obscene. Why more Americans don’t seem to realize this is beyond me.

And a bit OTT from you too there Mr Big – you are just one big cliche
You quote McCarthy , Watergate etc

How many similar things happen every day in these terrorist countries that you support

Of course America has every right to defend itself in whichever way it wants – of that means torturing suspects then so be it
It’s human nature – people fight – tribes fight – there wil never ever be a totally peaceful world , but I know who’s side I’d rather be on

The difference is Drivel that the Western countries are supposed to be Democracies.
Sure these things happen in these Banana Republic terroist countries every day, but they dont claim to be Democracies.
We are supposed to follow certain rules if we claim to be a Democracy. If we dont then we become no better than the Terrorists themselves.

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Bit OTT there Ruby. :roll:

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You’ll be lucky getting 2 past that Portsmouth defence.

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What you dont seem to realise AW is that once these civil liverties and freedom’s are suspended It’s gonna be a long time before you ever get them back, if indeed you ever get them back.
This isnt a War technically. No war has ever been declared.
Torture, Imprisoment without trial, and all the other Draconican methods used to wheat out these suspected Terrorists. The questions has to be asked that If we start using these kinds of methods are we any better than the Terroists in the 1st place.

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Drivel’s old bull..shit line about “if they havent done anything wrong they have nothing to worry about”. :roll: Not one charge has ever been issued to the “suspected terrorists” at Guantanamo Bay. They can pretty much be locked up without limit of time at the convenience of the American’s, and then released after any given time, wihout any charges being brought.
Bigstuff-It’s actually already legal for American’s to have their mail or bank and credit card’s examined. Warrentless searches without probable cause is also allowed under the terms of the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act pretty much gives the US Government Cart Blanche to do anything they like, when they like. I hope we dont go the same way.
It would be a good thing if the Democrats scored a victory in the forthcoming American Elections. It would mean that Bush would have a check in his power. Bush has too much power at the moment. People with too much power always abuse it.

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FYI-I was saying that yyou were being paranoid that what was being said on the board’s was Anti-American. Not that you were being paraniod about Al-Queda or whatever.
You were saying that these threads on the boards were Anti-American, and I was pointing out that 70 percent of your country agree with the sentiments that people have been making about your Nazi Goverment, not just people in other countries. If you say that everyone who posts these comments are Anti-American, then are 70 percent of your country Anti-American also.
The American Government has employed every tactic that the Nazi’s used during WW2. Torture, Imprisonment without Trial, Spying on citizens, and enforced disappreances.
The only thing they havent done is invaded soverign countries without a valid reason. Oh wait you’ve done that as well havent you? :?, and we helped you to our eternal shame.

SIEG HEIL.

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Total paranoia suggesting that the comments on the Boards suggest that Americans are more hated then ever.
You just dont seem to get the fact that it’s the American Government’s Nazi tactics that people are condeming.
The SNP’s a political party in Scotland. If someone critistising the SNP they aint critisising Scot’s. There’s a difference.

Oh, and in case you hadnt noticed about 70 percent of your country disagree’s with your Governments anti-democratric tactics. Are your fellow American’s all out to get you as well?

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@hermangrrrman! wrote:

Sack Benitez!
Alan Hansen for Manager
John Barnes as his number 2!!!

Barnes as Number two? :shock: Barnes was so incompotent as a manager, he shouldent be allowed to manage a Boy’s Club.

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