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@pete wrote:

Einstein believed in “God” just not a personal God. According to science it’s theoretically possible to fall in a black hole and come out the other side before you fell in. I’m no more likely to believe scientific hypothesis such as parallel universes than i am in God, and i’m pretty sure some very clever scientists could put hypothesis forward suggesting a creator. Science isn’t always right and gets it spectacularly wrong sometimes. Where do we come from ? I dont really care, i’d much sooner they spent the time and money on the cure for cancer rather than hadron colliders and hubble telescopes.

There does some debate over just what Einstein believed Pete.

Combining key elements from the first and second response from Einstein there is little doubt as to his position: “From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist…. I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being.”

He certainly sounds like an athiest to me, but not an in your face one.

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Tks Wil. Im waiting for Pete’s comments on the afoementioned though.

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Tbh Pete, Im not totally against a God as a creator. I’ve just not seen any evidence of it. I just dont really understand what the concept of a God would be.
I dont believe it would be the nosy busybody God of the major religions who gives us a load of laws and commandments to follow, and who sends us to hell if we dont beleive in him even though he’s all loving, but I could accept some sort of being who is simply more advanced than us.
We’ll probably create universes no different to our own in the future whether on a computer screen or in a laboratory. That would probably make us Gods, so the term really has to be defined.

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@pete wrote:

So the theoretical realm without the slightest of proof is ok ? Can i throw in the multi dimensional quark shift theory, or any other theory i wish to imagine. And one instance of travelling to the moon does not make a lot of science fiction fact.

Well Pete, I only actually said that both theories were “possibilities”. I didnt actually champion their cause or anything, I just said possibilities. :?

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@pete wrote:

Time travellers ? what from the future travelling back to a time when they didn’t exist and therefore couldn’t travel to that time. As for parallel universes i’d sooner have supernatural then science fiction

A lot of science fiction eventually becomes science fact. Humans reaching the moon was the stuff of science fiction novels in the first half of the last century. I’d certainly say the multiverse theory has far more credance than a God.
I just threw the time travel thing in as another possibility. Again I’d take the slight chance that time travel could be possible in the future over a God. We dont have to go into the supernatural realm for either of them as we do for a God.

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@pete wrote:

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@pete wrote:

Yet you’ve mocked God who far more believe in than believe in UFO’s from another planet. The odds on life occuring on this planet were infinitesimal and even with identical conditions it doesn’t mean life would occur or evolve. This planet collided with another planet giving us our iron core which gives us our magnetic field which stops us being irradiated to death. It also gave us our moon whose gravity stabilises the earth’s wobble and thus gives us a fairly stable climate. Why would aliens just contact a few, why not everyone, they’d be way in advance of us they’d have nothing to be afraid of.. yet they hide.. maybe they’re scared of the lizard men or the insect birds or the nutters like Icke

I dont see how Gaz has mocked “God”. He just typed a passage from the New Testament about Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ was an apocolyptic prophet from the 1st century. There is no more evidence for him being God than there is for any other of the millions of God’s there have been since the beginning of human history.

I think you’ve hit on a good point there though Pete about far more people believing in God than UFO’s. I think it’s simply conditioning from an early age. Headlines in the media about UFO’s will be along the lines of “beam me up Scotty” etc. My personal opinion is that there is evidence for UFO’s, although not definitive. I wouldn’t necessarily say they were aliens though. I think time travellers or people from parallel universes are also possibilities, or possibly just something that we have no concept of.

Like God himself ?

Well no. I was keeping my “something we have no concept of” out of the supernatural realm.

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@pete wrote:

Yet you’ve mocked God who far more believe in than believe in UFO’s from another planet. The odds on life occuring on this planet were infinitesimal and even with identical conditions it doesn’t mean life would occur or evolve. This planet collided with another planet giving us our iron core which gives us our magnetic field which stops us being irradiated to death. It also gave us our moon whose gravity stabilises the earth’s wobble and thus gives us a fairly stable climate. Why would aliens just contact a few, why not everyone, they’d be way in advance of us they’d have nothing to be afraid of.. yet they hide.. maybe they’re scared of the lizard men or the insect birds or the nutters like Icke

I dont see how Gaz has mocked “God”. He just typed a passage from the New Testament about Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ was an apocolyptic prophet from the 1st century. There is no more evidence for him being God than there is for any other of the millions of God’s there have been since the beginning of human history.

I think you’ve hit on a good point there though Pete about far more people believing in God than UFO’s. I think it’s simply conditioning from an early age. Headlines in the media about UFO’s will be along the lines of “beam me up Scotty” etc. My personal opinion is that there is evidence for UFO’s, although not definitive. I wouldn’t necessarily say they were aliens though. I think time travellers or people from parallel universes are also possibilities, or possibly just something that we have no concept of.

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I would say full on nut. A lot of the fringe conspiracy nuts buy right into it though.

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@pete wrote:

@gazlan wrote:

Any 1 seen a UFO or even been abducted …. :o

No cause UFOs dont exist

Of course UFO’s exist Pete. Millions of sightings of UFO’s every year. Im guessing you meant that UFO’s are not alien craft, since in your opinion there are no aliens. I know you’ve made a thorough search of the universe searching for them, and you’ve found nothing.

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@gazlan wrote:

People this man Icke has spoken with claim George Bush is a reptilian cross breed…. Although some people, not a million miles away…claim this to be the theory of a disturbed man, i think it is no more disturbed than the fact that large amounts of people on this planet believe in scriptures pertaining to a super-natural creator and that certain material and documents have been written describing instructions from this creator…hmmm..the studies go on…. :?

Think the Queen Mother and 40 past US Presidents were outed as Reptilians as well by Icke :shock: I bet they thought they had got away with it.
I agree with you however that the idea’s arent really any crazier than some of the ideas of Scientology or Mormonism or indeed Islam or Christianity.

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