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What an evil piece of works BB is – deport millions of muslims, many of them having lived here for a long time, many of them born here. Drop them in the deseert – anywhere, really. BB doesn’t give a shyte about millions being plunged into starvation and death – they’re only Muslims after all
Whatever hyperbole helps you deflect away from your racism, but you missed out the bit of giving them an ultimatum first, and of the reasons for doing so in the first place (to eradicate Islam).
But yes I do not see why I have to consider the welfare of anyone who confesses allegiance to the thieving, lying, raping and child molesting murdering psychopath that was the Prophet Muhammad, and who reveres him as being the perfect human and the perfect role model to imitate for all of time, and who puts the demented and twisted Islamic values that were conceived by him over-and-above Western values while simultaneously trying to impart them onto everybody else – at least, not at the expense of compromising the welfare of the sane people who oppose of all of their aforementioned twattery.
ALL Muslims, not just ISIS supporters, because ISIS is Islam.
There might be hope for you yet, but probably not…
No need to interpret Islam; no need to look at the divisions in Islam. No need to think about ISIS killing all Muslims who don’t agree with them.
There is a need to interpret Islam, that’s what the Sunnah and exegeses are for.
Yet the Sunnah and all authoritative and mainstream exegeses point to Islam being a fundamentally intolerant, evil and dangerous ideology that commands for Muslims to subjugate all non-Muslims, so… you don’t have an argument there.And yes there are divisions, and ISIS do kill those who profess to be Muslims (who ISIS deem as non-Muslims for whatever reasons), but that doesn’t take away from anything that’s been said. Hatred and aggression towards non-Muslims and Western values comes as standard throughout the entirety of Islamic theology. Muslims taking issue with other Muslims does not then equate to those aggressed-upon Muslims automatically being favourable towards non-Muslims or of Western values. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend etc.
You only have to look at Islam in it’s historic context of perpetual warfare and complete disregard for the welfare of non-Muslims over hundreds of years to see the validity of this.
Anyone disagrees with BB on this? They must be traitors or Muslims. I have been called a Muslim and a racist. I am also obsessed with race and skin colour for asking to what race British Muslims belong? I am saying that a race war is likely if BB has his way, and he should remember that many white people are ready to fight him with everything they’ve got.
I’m actually probably one of the most open-minded people you could come across, I just don’t really care much for eels like you who try to use every trick of the book to vilify good people with misrepresentations and mischaracterisations as a means to disparage the decent values that they stand for–especially so when it is only they themselves who are the ones that are guilty of such falsehoods.
And yes your continual fixation on race and skin colour is highly revealing of how you predominantly judge people, which funnily enough is in line with how a typical racist would judge people too. Go figure.
But he knows that doesn’t he? I wont ask how he’ll deal with the many like me, because we all know what his answer will be. He claims he’s writing essays? Just hate-filled rants calling for deportation and death. Awa’ wi’ ye.
Nothing less than a giant catapult will suffice. Preferably pointing towards Syria – I’m sure you and you and your anti-Western misfits will like it better over there. Over the wall boyo.
Even so, a dreadful attack within the UK is accepted by the police as very likely. If it happens, then I fear for liberty in this country, as the reaction (whipped up by people who don’t believe in a liberal, tolerant society).
Lol’d. You don’t fear for liberty here Slippery Scep, because you don’t stand for it in the first place. Pretty much everything you type has a pro-Islam and anti-Western slant to it (including what I’m now replying to, lol). Stop trying to fool everyone and just be honest, it would save a lot of time. The only thing you want is Islam, in all of it’s barbaric glory, to overthrow the standing order here; and what you fear most is anything which could prevent that from happening, i.e. a justified backlash against Islam/Muslims.
ISIS would love that, as they see anti-Muslim violence as a recruiting sergeant for them – BB, please note!!
And yes ISIS probably would love it, but what they would love is irrelevant. We in the West must do what we need to do to defend ourselves and uphold our values, not cower away for fear of further aggravating those who are already hell-bent on our ruin anyway – how does that make sense? “Better not upset those who are actively working towards our demise and attacking us, just in case they get angrier and attack us more”- lol.
Most Muslims in this country seem to really dislike radical Islam…
Yes they are all great normal people just like everyone else, Islam is really a religion of peace and love, only the drug-addicted extremists are the issue, there are no problems with it all and everything is great so don’t be so xylophonic and racist and literally Hítler and such and such…
I will get around to replying to you probably tomorrow BB, you wrote quite a lot that I have to think about the right reponses for.
It’s all good, no rush.
I do tend to get carried away in replying, I apologise, lol. I guess it doesn’t help much either that I don’t keep up with the posts and so just end up bombarding with essays once in a blue moon. Will hopefully check back before the end of the year if all goes well
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The point is that I tolerate Islam, and find the Muslims I have met to be really nice people. Radical Islam cannot be tolerated – they’re the ones involved in a reconquista – you have to be a bit paranoid to think Islam as a whole is. That ended in 1492 (well more like 1683 at the gates of Vienna).
It’s not surprising you tolerate Islam, the shock.
Radical Islam supposes a moderate Islam, but there’s no moderate Islam. Islam is Islam and is inherently a radical ideology, and always has been. There are, however, ‘Muslims’ who don’t follow it as they ought to – who are then labelled as hypocrites by actual Muslims.
As a side-note, this guy, Raymond Ibrahim, is someone I have a massive deal of respect for, and I would encourage everyone to follow his posts on his site if you’ve never heard of him – they’re always brilliant reads. He’s a good guy and has second-to-none experience and expertise regarding Islam, including being fluent in Arabic. His take on it:
Why Moderate Islam Is An Oxymoron:
http://raymondibrahim.com/2014/03/26/why-moderate-islam-is-an-oxymoron/
BB, how many Muslims are there in the UK – including white ones?
I agree it’s not a race problem, though if BB had his way it could become one.
Homophobic crime is illegal under UK law, and should be imposed on all communities; you can’t really stop homophobia as such, which is a rife among white people.
Bloody hell, why are you so obsessed with skin colour and race, Slippery Scep? This on top of you referring to Muslims as WOGS as well, you genuinely are a shameful racist, aren’t you?
Just get it out already and be done with it.
So? Islam prescribes for Muslims to put their ‘religion’ above and beyond national identity. Those that have roots here and want to carry on living here should be allowed to do so, but only on condition that they fully reject their ‘religion’.
I had mentioned this was a problem in the Berlin thread, however I don’t believe a complete rejection of their religion is needed.
Respectively disagree, it’s crucial.
Allowing people who identify as Muslims to live here entails the continual acceptance of Islam within society. The continual acceptance of Islam within society means that it stays tolerated and protected; that Muslims who adhere to it remain tolerated and protected; and that the Islamisation of this country, and the wider Western world, continues unabated. If you don’t force Muslims into making the choice between fully rejecting their religion (in this case for the right to remain here as equal citizens) or staying faithful to it and facing consequences, then nothing changes.If no countries are willing to accept them, then mass airdrop them into a desert if needs be, just as long as they’re anywhere other than here and aren’t able to pose a threat to everyone.
This isn’t a realistic solution, no party would ever get elected with this policy. And there would be an international effort to prevent this from happening, possibly even war.
Bear in mind that this is just one hypothetical scenario in response to skeps “what if”, the main issue is just on deporting those who refuse to integrate and who hold hostile sentiments and aggressive inclinations towards our secular society. In that sense, it doesn’t seem too bad. I think a lot of people would already sympathise with this to a degree, and which ought to then translate into a willingness to jump over any hurdles that could prevent it from taking place in any given future scenarios. Dropping people into desserts is extreme, but I personally wouldn’t rule such extreme measures out *shrug*.
And you posit war, but we’re already in a war as far as I’m concerned (albeit an internal one). Any nations that do threaten war on a people trying to rid themselves of Islam though, would be akin to somebody threatening to attack somebody else who has an infection or a form of necrosis, upon them attempting to stop it spreading through their own body. Those threatening to attack will therefore be trying to harm you just as much as the infection/necrosis is already doing, so more war it will just have to be.
All that’s needed is for Western societies to imitate those early Pagan Meccans in rejecting Islam, and of being less accepting of those who openly adhere to Islam.
This is one thing that I agree with scep on, universal suppression of Islam will just create tensions and conflict with muslim populations in Britain. This would only be a good option if there weren’t any muslims here to resist, as is the case with Japan’s laws on practicing islam.
I would say that there are already tensions and conflict with Muslim populations in Britain (and even more so in other EU countries), but I absolutely agree with you on the point that it will exasperate things and make matters a lot worse. It absolutely will, yeah, there’s no getting around that.
But I also think that ruling it out on the basis of it not being a good option, is wrong, simply because, well… there is no good option. Islam is an intolerant death cult of conquest and domination and it’s been fighting everything that Western civilisation is founded upon for the last 1400 years. A lot of the fighting of the crusades took place with the aim of stopping Islam spreading into Europe – it’s what thousands of men were once laying down their lives for to prevent from happening. But yet now in the modern era it’s been welcomed into the fold with open arms and labelled as something benign, despite it never even have changed. It shouldn’t have ever been accepted here in the first place, but now that it has (thanks to our crooked politicians) everyone faces the option of either confronting it and ejecting it back out of the West, or capitulating and yielding to it while it radically changes the fabric of society via it establishing and asserting its own ideals at the cost of ours.
Those who don’t like the idea of living under Islamic rule therefore have just two main options as I see it – the first of which is bad, and the second of which is immensely bad. The first is what I’ve generally been arguing for: to confront suppress and eradicate it now while it’s still a relatively weak force, and while we still have a good chance of being victorious over it (although yes it won’t be pretty); or secondly: to sit on our thumbs hoping for the best for the sake of avoiding confrontation and conflict, and allowing it to become a much more stronger and formidable force than of what it currently is, and which then leads us into the future positions of, at best, experiencing a lot more conflict to get rid of it than was necessary or, at worst, not be able to defeat it all – to succumb.
The route of avoiding conflict with Islam is reminiscent of Chamberlain’s stance towards the Nazis in WWII. The order of the day was to follow the strategy of appeasement towards a fundamentally dominating and expansionist ideology–a strategy of which did not work then, just as it will not work now. Chamberlain’s eagerness to champion co-existence along with his now infamous declaration that “there will be peace for our time”, right before Hitler then invaded Poland, should serve as a historic warning to everyone. Fortunately, the one guy who did have enough backbone to stare reality in the face, and of who possessed the courage and conviction do what was needed to be done, stood up, and he spoke a now famous quote which was just as relevant in 1939 in the fight against Nazism, as it is today in the fight against Islam:
Agreed that as things currently stand you can’t, but things will just have to drastically change, is really my only response to that. If it doesn’t then the West will become increasingly Islamised until it reaches the point of no return.
Which is why I want to ban immigration and refugees from Islamic countries, something else I mentioned in the Berlin thread. It will only make the problem worse if we keep letting more of them in. But as I said earlier, I don’t think deportation of British citizens is an acceptable solution.
Agreed, more of them would certainly be counter-productive. And while it is understandable that you wouldn’t find deportation of “British citizens” an acceptable solution, I would look at it as more a necessity than anything (and I say this too as someone who was originally more of an anti-government Classical Liberal and of letting people live as they wish etc.).
The Brexit vote, and Trump’s election, must have sparked a lot of right-wing fantasies, BB. What was once regarded as so horrendous that it was out of the question has suddenly loomed into the realm of frightening possibility.
ISIS are going to send (and recruit) more people to Europe on terror attacks. They’ll slip through however tight a net is cast until they achieve their end of winning all Muslims to their view (and yours) that Islam and non-Islam are at a deadly war with each other.
You try to make it seem like I’m frothing at the mouth with excitement about what I’ve typed here coming to fruition; I’m not, it’s just something that needs to be done to deal with the threat. And ISIS doesn’t need to win anyone over to their view, because their view is just normative Islam; similarly they don’t really need to recruit people either because mainstream Islamic texts do it for them.
At some point, despite excellent policing in the UK., something pretty nasty is likely to happen, and there is the danger of some sort of backlash, whipped up by fear-mongering.
If your fantasy does come true, BB, could you give an indication of how many Muslims in Britain will be deported??? Another way of asking you how many Muslims are in the UK. This will include white Muslims, yes, of which there are a number? Just asking.
Probably, though if/when something nasty does happen then a backlash would justifiably be an act of self-defence, wouldn’t it? No “fear-mongering” necessary.
And as many as it takes.
Muslims number into the millions now so I’m aware that it could potentially be a huge task, but you have to do what’s right and what’s effective, not just what’s expedient. And to put it another way: the number to be ejected would be a lot less if it was done sooner, than later. The longer things are left to carry on as they are, the greater the Muslim population will become, and the more of an impossibility it will be to do (which I’m sure you’ll take delight in). As for skin colour: I don’t know, and I don’t really care to know either. I’m not obsessively fixated on skin colour in the same way that you seem to be, it’s completely irrelevant.Those though who do remain devoted and who refuse to walk away from it, well…Deportation is one option.
You can’t deport British citizens, that’s why I asked the question. If they have dual nationality then you can revoke it and deport them, but that wouldn’t be looked on favourably by the international community.
Agreed that as things currently stand you can’t, but things will just have to drastically change, is really my only response to that. If it doesn’t then the West will become increasingly Islamised until it reaches the point of no return. The International community will also have to be ignored – especially so when those that make it up aren’t doing enough to address the Islamisation happening within their own countries.
One of my biggest reasons for voting Brexit actually was to put in motion the ability for us (and others) to implement policies to combat the spread and growth of Islam in whichever way we deem fit, and not be constrained by politically correct international powers. 2016 was a massive step in the right direction then for me, and I’m a lot more optimistic of change happening now than I was a few months ago.
No Muslim should be able to feel proud about being a Muslim, of adhering to an ideological death cult that’s worse than Nazism. Those though who do remain devoted and who refuse to walk away from it, well…Deportation is one option.
Many Muslims were born in Britain, their parents and even grandparents born in Britain.
So? Islam prescribes for Muslims to put their ‘religion’ above and beyond national identity. Those that have roots here and want to carry on living here should be allowed to do so, but only on condition that they fully reject their ‘religion’.
So we deport them to Muslimland, I guess. Hmm..simples…
To wherever would accept them – which assumedly would be Islamic countries.
If no countries are willing to accept them, then mass airdrop them into a desert if needs be, just as long as they’re anywhere other than here and aren’t able to pose a threat to everyone.
Forced deportation is a last resort though and won’t necessarily be needed, for the following key reason:
In the early days of Islam when Prophet Muhammad first started gaining followers (Muslims), they would cause the same problems that we face now in the modern age, but in Mecca – which at the time was populated mostly by Pagans. Muhammad use to threaten these Pagan Meccans with annihilation and destruction for not obeying him or converting to his new religion of Islam, to the point where his followers would physically attack them. This went on for a while until the strife got so bad that the otherwise peaceful Meccans finally had enough of it all and decided to retaliate, resulting in Mecca becoming an openly hostile environment for Muhammad and his band of followers to live in and to worship in – they were outnumbered and actively persecuted. In response to this, Prophet Muhammad then commanded his few followers to flee Mecca and to travel to modern-day Ethiopia, assuring them that they would be safe there and free to practice their new religion of Islam and worship Allah. [It should also not be lost on anyone here that this Ethiopian land that Muhammad assured would offer safety and tolerance for his Muslim followers, was a Christian land ruled by a devout Christian King]
This story is known as the first hijrah, or the first migration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_to_Abyssinia
The importance of this little story (and some others similar to it) is that it creates a religious obligation for all Muslims who live in a openly hostile land–a hostile land which prevents them from freely practicing their religion, and of freely worshiping their god, Allah–to emigrate to somewhere that’s more hospitable for them and which does allow them to do so. They are religiously obliged to do this of their own volition.
All that’s needed is for Western societies to imitate those early Pagan Meccans in rejecting Islam, and of being less accepting of those who openly adhere to Islam.
We’d need a special police force of course to sniff ’em out and round ’em up. Some of those Wily Oriental Gentlemen are sneaky and will be hiding, so the searches will have to go on quite a while. Perhaps the search police could be given special arm insignia so we know when they’re around.
Why do you even feel the need to refer to Muslims as WOGS? Your racism is showing through here.
Those who side with the Muslims in resisting deportation – should they be rounded up too.?
Give me a good reason why those non-Muslims who knowingly defend and support the establishment of any of these things, should be treated any less differently than the Muslims who actively strive to bring them about:
Of course, after the our fair and pleasant land has been cleansed of Muslims, it wouldn’t surprise me if we have to sniff out other enemies of Western civilisation. I wonder who the next bunch are? And where they’ll be deported to? And then there’s the next…. Oh fair and happy land, brave new world, to have such creatures in it.
This comment wouldn’t be out of place if it was made by a Nazi sympathizer during WW2 in regard to pushing the Nazis back out of Europe.
The simple answer is that Western freedoms should always be fought for regardless of who or what presents itself as an enemy of them. But it’s not surprising though that you feel otherwise.
For purely strategic reasons. Accepting Muslims in society normalises the existence of Islam, and normalising the existence of Islam–viewing it as just an ordinary part of society–will lead to it ultimately dominating the Western world.
What do you propose to do with muslims who are British (or your native country’s) citizens?
Muslims following their faith properly would laugh at the thought of identifying themselves as British, but that aside: apply all forms of discriminatory pressure onto them with the aim of getting them to abandon Islam, especially through challenging/confronting them on theological grounds and highlighting all the bad/contradictory aspects of Islam to them. Ideally it shouldn’t just be what I do, but what every non-Muslim does too – including the government on a mass scale. No Muslim should be able to feel proud about being a Muslim, of adhering to an ideological death cult that’s worse than Nazism.
Those though who do remain devoted and who refuse to walk away from it, well…
Deportation is one option.Forgot about this thread.
Feels good man.
