:lol: Im sure that’s not the case Ow£n, i do look at peoples PCs for some extra £££ and i find PC problems tend to follow set rules, its rare that something completely new comes up but saying that PCs are forever evolving as with the Poets computer very few had 1GB ram 8 years ago, to day i see Motherboards with 2 and 4GB installed, 2 Graphics Cards (cross fireing) and i have see at a show 2 Motherboards in 1 case and i still cant work out the wireing on that one !!! bloody nightmare :lol: