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When I first started reading the article I wondered why an Indian was involved so publically in Muslim matters….then continued to read and saw he was an iman etc…(I thought his name was Indian)
There are quite a lot of muslims in India, just check my previous post showing muslim populations by size.
I’m always suspicious about articles like these, especially when the author is a Muslim. On the face of it they’re words that people want to hear, but mixed in with it is a discrete framing of there being a nice tolerant Islam that everyone should be championing, against a bad and intolerant one that needs ousting. This is done to get people on-side and to fundamentally accept the existence of Islam in society via being duped into believing that it’s benign – which of course it isn’t. He’s an imam too so he knows what he’s doing. I have no doubt that he wants society to fall to Islam just as much as any “Islamists” or “misinformed extremists” that he publicly denounces.
Why is it that you think that no muslim can be accepted into our society. I have several friends who are muslim, I can promise you that they pose no threat (although none of them live in Britain).
Congratulations, I hope it lasts longer than mine.
The Dutch have got bugger all we want though they are the biggest exporters of human sperm
Buy British I can get that for free
.I don’t really understand your position Skep, if there wasn’t anywhere for the political threads to go then saying to ignore them would be understandable. But the Getting Serious board seems like an appropriate place to move them to.
Do you have a problem with the threads being moved?
I think things have gotten out of control here to the point of no return I would also imagine the ramifications for Brits abroad living in some of these Asian countries wouldn’t be very comfortable.
This really depends on your definition of which countries are in Asia, I usually think of the Middle East as being seperate, which only leaves Pakistan as a muslim country of any significant size.But for the sake of discussion, lets include Iran and Saudi Arabia, I don’t think there are many Brits living there.
If you’re right, then there’s no problem. I wouldn’t be so certain if I were you, though. It all depends on the terms of trade, not on trade. There is more to trade than cars.
The most important thing is food, which we don’t have to buy from Europe. I’m sure Australian and New Zealand farmers would be interested in increacing production for export, and being less reliant on trade relationships with China.
Everything I read spells trouble at the moment – if Article 50 is revoked in march, then tehre is six months before negotiations proper can begin. They have to be completed by the autumn of 2018 to get through the EU’s 27 parliaments, and that is going to be a very, very tall order.
If we leave without a deal, then we have to trade under WTO (world Trade Oragnaisation) rules and they will put us at a severe disadvantage.
Denmark, the UK’s biggest ally, is now coming down against giving the UK a fair deal. It’s not in Danish interests. Like others in the EU, they want teh goodies that the UK is giving up.
many a slip (eg a le pen victory in France, whihc has become distinctly possible now), so we’ll see. Politics has become extremely interesting again, after 25 years of torpor
I would prefer EFTA membership of all the Brexit options, which would still give us membership to the single market (at a reduced cost), access to trade deals that the EFTA already has (which the EU members don’t), and the ability to make our own deals.
Jo Cox would have liked the Nazis to be so inactive.
That wasn’t an orgnisied group of Nazis, which is what we are talking about. But as I said in the other thread, i’m not really sure how much of the evidence linking him to nazis I believe.
I beleive UKIP has a (ex) nazi infusion. I know of one person in JC who has expressed admiration for hitler and white supremacism and belongs to UKIP.
I haven’t really seen very much evidence of that, but I would have thought the BNP would be more aligned with their views than UKIP.
To talk of nazis on the Far left is part of your bizarre models of behaviour. You are going to ahve to go a long way to persuade me of that one – and you’re not talking of a fan of the Socialist Workers party etc… More worrying is the ability of small minorities to punch above their weight – both of the Far Right and the Far Left.
The Nazis were a left wing party in terms of ecconomic policy, but that isn’t what I meant. I said there are a lot of facists in the left wing, which there is. Particularly the newer forms of marxists that have appeared over the last decade, and have begun to shut down discussion of many subjects under the name of political correctness and social justice. I’m not sure how you can’t see this, it’s everywhere and infecting everything.
Even in this discussion i’ve had my ethnicity questioned in an attempt to discredit me. But I can give much more serious examples. A lot of media is under their control, both old and new. Examples of this is the mass censorship of twitter by their ‘trust and safety council’ mainly conservative people, but they also banned accounts related to a Saudi human rights movement (I have always assumed this highlights the hypocracy of the femminist / islamist alliance) or the BBC’s open discrimination against white people (there are many other examples of this happening).
The religious/race war I was talking about would take place within this country. I don’t see it happening, thank God, but if you want to do a religion/racial correlation of muslims within the UK that would be handy.
I know, I was just examining which races we would have to remove from the country in the event that a race war actually happened. I’m not sure what the racial makeup of the muslim population here actually is, its not something I have ever researched.
I don’t think the Lib Dems will win the next election, though who knows???. They are not the important issue. The fact is that Richnmond was a genuinely safe Tory seat, and they elected a Lib Dem incompetent (her incompetence was apparently demonstrated during the campaign, I am told) because it was about hard brexit.
If the Lib Dems actually did what they were suppose to do, and be centrist / centre right liberals then I would probably vote for them. But the whole party seems to be centre left progressives for some reason.
It’s not the Lib Dems who won. It’s May’s hard brexit which lost – locally. After Witney, where the Tories saw a similar 19% swing against them on this very issue, it is a very serious warning to May that she is in danger of losing a significant proportion of Tory support if she is going to be UKIP-lite.
Even if this were true, it would probably mean picking up support from Labour voters who were abandoned by Corbyn. Labour got less votes in Richmond than they have members, this isn’t an insignificant section of the voter base.
You should read French history more carefully. The Bonapartists were very keen on referendums. They could be fixed, opinion could be manipulated, and the result gave them legitimacy. de gaulle was prettykeen on them too – they suited his quasi-Bonapartist approach to a presidential, rather than a parliamentary democracy.
I’ve never really heard of this so I don’t know how true it is.
But i’m pretty sure that Napoleon didn’t have to get false votes past neutral third part observers or CCTV cameras, or contend with the internet when manipulating public opinion. It’s much easier to make these systems work properly now than it was 200 years ago.
There is also such a thing as totalitarian democracy, in which a refendum could play a key part. The Bonapartes were not totalitarian democrats though – the Jacobins were. It’s usually a left-wing phenomenon. I have grown gradually to fear it.
I think I would still prefer that to the totalitarian communists that the left-wing is today.
Fair enough, drac, but I am also keen on freedom and the democratic process that protects it. If the majority of voters agree with you about poverty and what you seem to mean by freedom, then the brexiteers will have no problem.
I think that’s why most people voted to leave, but I really don’t have any information to say.
Does that mean that Americans think you look like a rapist???!!!
That was a joke..honest.I was thinking of Trump on mexican immigrants.
I’m planning to visit America in January, so Trump will have to get the wall up fast if he wants to stop me.
A religious war in the physical sense of the turn is highly likely to turn into a race war. It would be horrible even if it didn’t.
The reason is that while some white Brits have become muslims (I once knew a nutty Scots lecturer who had become a fantaical Muslim), most are non-white. A war against Muslims would soon get out of control, as moderate Muslims would be radicalised., and as it developed, a race war is only too likeley.
But a religious war is bad enough.
And is unlikely to happen.
If we are going to talk about race, lets look at the biggest muslim populations in the world:
Country/Region<sup id=”cite_ref-pewmuslim1_1-7″ class=”reference”>[1]</sup> Muslims Muslim percentage (%) of total population Percentage (%) of World Muslim population World Total 1,703,146,000<sup id=”cite_ref-gordonconwell.edu_6-1″ class=”reference”>[6]</sup> 23.4 100.0 South Asia 507,000,000<sup id=”cite_ref-104″ class=”reference”>[104]</sup> 31.0 32.0 Middle East–North Africa 321,869,000 91.2 19.9 Southeast-East Asia 257,000,000<sup id=”cite_ref-105″ class=”reference”>[105]</sup><sup id=”cite_ref-106″ class=”reference”>[106]</sup> 13.0 15.0 Sub-Saharan Africa 242,544,000 29.6 15.0 Indonesia204,847,000 87.2<sup id=”cite_ref-59″ class=”reference”>[59]</sup> 12.7 Pakistan178,000,000 96.4 11.0 India172,000,000 14.2 10.9 Bangladesh145,607,000 86.3<sup id=”cite_ref-.E0.A6.AC.E0.A6.BE.E0.A6.82.E0.A6.B2.E0.A6.BE.E0.A6.A6.E0.A7.87.E0.A6.B6.E0.A6.95.E0.A7.87_.E0.A6.9C.E0.A6.BE.E0.A6.A8.E0.A7.81.E0.A6.A8_32-0″ class=”reference”>[32]</sup> 9.2 Nigeria93,839,000 41<sup id=”cite_ref-76″ class=”reference”>[76]</sup>-50<sup id=”cite_ref-77″ class=”reference”>[77]</sup> 4.7 Iran74,819,000 99.7 4.6 Turkey74,660,000 98.6 4.6 Egypt73,800,000 90<sup id=”cite_ref-49″ class=”reference”>[49]</sup> 4.9 Central Asia 54,000,000<sup id=”cite_ref-103″ class=”reference”>[103]</sup> 80.0 3.0 Europe 44,138,000 6.0 2.7 Algeria40,400,000 98.2 <sup id=”cite_ref-pewmuslim1_1-8″ class=”reference”>[1]</sup> – >99<sup id=”cite_ref-auto_28-0″ class=”reference”>[28]</sup> 2.7 Sudan39,027,950 97.0<sup id=”cite_ref-91″ class=”reference”>[91]</sup> 1.9 Morocco32,381,000 99<sup id=”cite_ref-73″ class=”reference”>[73]</sup> 2.0 Iraq31,108,000 98.9 1.9 Afghanistan29,047,100 99.8 1.8 Uzbekistan26,833,000 96.5 1.7 Saudi Arabia25,493,000 97.1 1.6 Ethiopia25,037,646<sup id=”cite_ref-52″ class=”reference”>[52]</sup> 34 1.8 Yemen24,023,000 99.0 1.5 China22,000,000<sup id=”cite_ref-CFPS2012-013CGSS_45-0″ class=”reference”>[45]</sup>-50,000,000<sup id=”cite_ref-46″ class=”reference”>[46]</sup> 1.8 1.4 Syria20,895,000 90 1.3 So we have Indonesians, Indians, Arabs, Africans and Chinese. That’s a lot of races to start a war against. So I would agree that it’s very unlikely, and highly impractical.
This country is too committed to order and stability to let an internal war (the nost dangerous of all wars) develop. That’s why the small number of genuine fascists and nazis who spin lies and create fear will meet their limits…..I hope
Most of the actual fascists are on the far left these days, but I don’t really see much evidence of anyone supporting neo-nazis in Britian.
In the most recent nazi rally I have heard about here, they listened to German music in a field. They then went to try and donate money to Royal Legion, which was rejected so they went home. I don’t think i’m going to lose sleep at night if that’s the worst threat they represent.
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