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But the admin needed for ID cards for us all – the potential threat to civil liberties which go with it, added to the amount of money needed for bureaucrats to administer all this ID health tourist etc could well cost more than treating them like everyone else.
I didn’t even say that people should be refused treatment, but it is the only way to know if non-British nationals are a drain on NHS resources or not. I don’t see why it would cost any money at all, they already record the names of the people. Also writing there nationality doesn’t add much time to the process.
Do you know for sure that they don’t ask for ID?
I’ve never been asked for ID, as far as i’m aware of this isn’t something that is done.
Have you considered the fact that they do maybe ask for ID .. and these people don’t have ID, as they’re refugees?
People shouldn’t be let into the country if they don’t have proof of identity, but that is another issue. I don’t see why this would be a problem, if they don’t have ID then they would be listed as ‘N/A’ on records, along with British citizens who didn’t happen to have ID on them when admitted.
As I said in my reply to Scep, i’m not saying anyone should be refused treatment yet. Just that information on the scale of the problem should be gathered.
drac, you seem to be obsessed with odd maps which don’t prove anything. I said that 36% of the electorate voted to leave. You’re getting confused witht he voters. 52% of voters voted to elave, for many different reasons. They may well change their minds, and whether they do or not lies in the future. 52% of the voters, 36% of the electorate. There is a difference. The voice of the people would refer to the electorate, and it ain’t decisive, certainly not for leaving now.
People who chose not to vote do not count.
Did you make the same argument when Labour won a general election in 2005 with 22% of the electorate backing them
Brexit has more legitimacy than Tony Blair’s government even by your own logic.
So you’re saying that the majority of ppl that come to the UK for treatment come from those countries?
Nobody knows where they come from, or how many there are. The NHS doesn’t ask for ID when people are admitted.
That’s the problem.
Drac, those two charts are meaningless. One covers healthcare in 2019-20 fgs!
They are projections
The other uses terms like a healthcare index and and a healthcare exp. index which don’t mean anything to most people. What are they? It doesn’t break down into emergency surgery, waiting times, different types of treatment for different problems etc. They are most likely a meaningless statistic.
I didn’t look into exactly how it is calcuated, but these types of things are normally a weighted combinations of those factors.
You don’t give the source, or the year the source appeared; you don’t say whether these are out-of-date; you don’t provide an analysis of how dependable the stats are (lies, damned lies, and statistics and all that)
NHS funding and HCI rankings aren’t hard to find of google if you want to fact check me. I’m not writing a journal paper.
The health service funding has been rising but the needs are rising much more.
Pouring money into a broken system won’t make it better, but I don’t know what the solution is either.
will of the people my bum, Pete. 36% of the electorate voted to leave. 36% – NOT the will of the people.
The will of the people has spoken.
Of those voting to leave, many wanted to curb immigration, while others wanted to extend the pool of immigration.
Curb unskilled immigration, extend the pool of skilled immigration.
The right-wing Tories/UKIP crowd are NOT the voice of the people, but they are claiming to be the voice of the people. They have the bit between their teeth now, and are leading us all out at an impossible pace.
Then tell me, who is the true voice of the people?
Is it not the votes of the individual people who the voice belongs to?
And what of the Labour-Leave campaign, were they also right-wing?
What I’m saying Arc, is that if they had better healthcare in their own country (and could afford it), they wouldnt be coming to the Uk for it, that’s for sure.
There aren’t many countries that have better healthcare standards than the UK, and the ones that do usualyl spend a lot more per capita on it. But that isn’t a reason why they should get free care here if they haven’t paid into the system.
RankCountryHealth Care IndexHealth Care
Exp. Index1 South Korea 83.20 152.14 2 Netherlands 82.50 151.34 3 Taiwan 81.14 148.12 4 Austria 80.91 148.90 5 Thailand 80.66 147.46 6 Sri Lanka 80.04 146.12 7 Belgium 78.92 144.43 8 Japan 78.63 143.27 9 France 78.62 144.00 10 Germany 76.74 140.31 11 Spain 76.65 141.24 12 Malta 76.18 139.03 13 Denmark 75.45 139.21 14 Finland 74.85 136.08 15 Israel 74.78 136.91 16 United Kingdom 74.28 135.95 The UK Government has cut the health budget so much. The worse thing that ever happen to the NHS was the creation of Foundation Trusts. I won’t bore you with the details of what that actually means on a day to day basis within the NHS. Feel free to ask though.
I don’t think this is what cuts look like, funding has’t been lowered:
Can you explain your position to me?
Build a wall around A&E and make Jeremy Hunt pay for it!
Drac has the same approach, but she approaches it in a different way, goes off on a tangent, and gets her facts wrong (eg people who carry anarchist flags are Communists.
Lol, people who walk around carrying anarcho-communist flags and chanting phrases from the communist manifesto aren’t communists?
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I have attached two screen captures of the flags from a video of the inauguration riots.
