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@pete wrote:
real ale drinkers…..
Totally proves my point Pete.
You can clearly see that neither of them are female (on any interpretation of the word).
Two perfectly normal reasonable chaps enjoying a pint of real ale. NOT two drunken slappers getting pissed out of their minds and puking in the gutter (or worse!!!).
@pete wrote:
Should the killers of Jamie Bulger have hung ?
Yes they should …… save for two rather major points. Capital punishment had long been abolished by the time they committed their crimes and secondly they were both below the age of 18 when the murder was committed.
So much as many would like to legally choke the life out of them, it simply wasn’t (and still isn’t) an option.
I share your feelings about women drinking pints of bitter Pete – they shouldn’t be allowed to drive sports cars either.
Actually, not so Bat. As the law stood at the time (not as it NOW stands) Bentley was illiterate and of low intelligence, almost borderline retarded. However, he was not suffering from epilepsy at the time of the alleged offence, that he was not a “feeble-minded person” under the Mental Deficiency Acts and that he was sane and fit to plead and stand trial.
English law at the time did not recognise the concept of diminished responsibility due to retarded development, though it existed in Scottish law (it was introduced to England by the Homicide Act 1957).
Criminal insanity – where the accused is unable to distinguish right from wrong – was then the only medical defence to murder. Bentley, while suffering severe debilitation, was not insane.
Chris Craig would not have faced execution if found guilty, as he was below the age of 18 when PC Miles was shot. Bentley on the other hand was not.
The key issue at their trial was that the doctrine of ‘constructive malice’ meant that a charge of manslaughter was not an option, as the “malicious intent” of the armed robbery was transferred to the shooting….. hence they were BOTH charged with murder.
Bentley’s best defence would have been that he was effectively under arrest when PC Miles was killed; however, this was only after an attempt to escape, during which a police officer had been wounded and the Court (and the jury) wouldn’t accept this as a valid defence.
Bentley was quite rightly convicted (as the law stood in the early 1950’s) and therefore quite rightly and lawfully executed.
It’s interesting to note that at his first posthumous appeal in 1966, the finding of guilt for murder was upheld by the Court of Appeal – although the sentence itself was not.
It was only after some seriously heavy political interference by Tony Blair, in his constant quest for popularity, was he fully pardoned in 1998.
Women were better at keeping their “inner slapper” hidden when I was a teenager – that’s for sure.
One change is that, until recent times, it was an offence (and you were inevitably arrested for it) to be drunk in a public place. Usually this meant a night in the cells and up before the beak the following morning. A swift fine and a major bollocking later you were released onto the street, poorer but wiser.
Nowadays, unless you do something pretty outrageous, Mr Plod turns a blind eye to public drunkeness (as well as pubic drunkeness).
Blind drunk??? Can hardly stagger along the gutter???
“Ello ‘ello ‘ello, wot have we here then???” “‘E’s drunk Sarge” “Oh, right then…..”
“Mind how you go Sir ….. now move along please!”
With great respect Bat, but Derek Bentley wasn’t “mentally handicapped” as we understand it, even by today’s standards. He was “simple” and was said to have a mental age of 11 – at the age of 19. Nevertheless he had a clear understanding of the difference between right and wrong, and knew that his actions in burgling the premises was utterly wrong. Throughout all the appeals and campaigns, it was always the case that he had this mental capacity to know right from wrong.
What, it is said, won him the second appeal (and pardon) was the fact that his acomplice – who was only 16 at the time – was under the legal age to suffer the death penalty whereas Bentley was executed. This in spite of the fact that Bentley didn’t actually fire any shots at Police, much less directly and personally kill one ans in spite of the jury’s plea for clemency.
BTW, this plea was a total waste of time because the MANDATORY penalty for his crime was death by hanging. The Judge had no choice but to sentence him to death.
Yes it is true that he was subsequently pardoned. However, I suspect that this was more a nod to the pressure of public opinion by a weak government anxious to bolster its own popularity, rather than to an acknowledgement of the doctrine of “common enterprise” that prevailed at that time. Although he was pardoned (i.e. forgiven) there was no statement made to the effect that he was never there at all and took no part in the crime.
Equally, can you imagine the howls of public outrage there would have been if the politicians and the Judiciary of the day had released Bentley saying that there was “no case to answer” after a Police oficer had been callously murdered in the line of duty???
I put it down to the ”beer culture”….. or rather the lack of it.
If women took up drinking pints of bitter (preferably real ale) instead of nancying around with soppy drinks (like Vodks & Red Bull and suchlike) then this wouldn’t happen.
They’d simply pop down to their local, sup a pint or two with their friends and engage in pleasant conversation.
Instead they go to all day / all night club type pubs, get hammered out of their brains and deafened by the latest ghastly pop/rap so-called music.
Of course this is also partly to be blamed on the lack of ”real” manhood in today’s youth. Females are forced to anaethesetise themselves with industrial quantities of alchohol (& other chemicals) so as to avoid noticing the spotty faced youths that they will shag later on in the gutter.
The over loud music is there to avoid them having to have anything but the most banal conversation with said spotty youths ………… as well as drowning out their incessant and meaningless mobile phone conversations with all their ”mates”.
Bring back the traditional British pub I say …… complete with open fire and the landlord’s dog lying in front of it licking its balls.
Soporific
I’m sure that we can find you a nice comfortable henhouse to look after chickenman – one that comes with residence attached.
@ncb wrote:
……Love for each day bringing happiness to you,
making your life a scene of sparkle and shining sunlight.My life is already a “scene of sparkle and shining sunlight” thank you very much – all I need now is a little bit of snow and the occasional freezing gale …. just to provide a contrast you understand.
Oh and BTW before I forget – Happy New Year to you too.
