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@bassingbourne55 wrote:
My opinion is that fox hunting as a sport or leisure pastime is wrong.
If fox numbers need to be controlled, then it should be done by professional ‘huntsmen’, i.e. trained tracker-marksmen, as is done in parts of Wales.
Pro-hunting people claim that hunting isn’t cruel but that is clearly untrue, as anyone with any common sense knows.
Pro-hunting people also claim that they’re doing a necessary pest control job.
That is rubbish because hunting has traditionally been a pastime mainly for the landed gentry. If hunting was indeed a mere ‘job’, then it would have been beneath their social status, they’d have employed people to do it for them.Long live the ban!
My point is that our food chain standards are more cruel and barbaric than fox hunting, so why do people protest against one but not the other and it appears that nobody can answer my question?
@rubyred wrote:
of COURSE politics come into it,,didnt i JUST say that the normal jo and joanne on the street cant afford to buy organic and free range etc..I wasnt argueing with you,i was more in agreement with ya ! the first question was IF we agreed or didnt,,I gave My opinion!!
Why should affording organic come into it? If you are concerned about animal welfare the best thing to do is give up meat, or as I do take fallen stock like pheasants thats free!! You mentioned young deer perishing but dismiss everything I told you about what goes on in our food chain, it is the same if not worse, so that in my opinion is double standards. Its ok for a cow to be hanging upsidedown, skinned still with a pulse but it isnt ok for an animal to be ripped apart by hounds? I just dont get where people get their ideas from, if animal welfare really was the reason for fox hunting being band then why dont people take more consideration over their own food??
@rubyred wrote:
No double standards here . Im against purely for the blood lust. and to top it all im Scottish,and have saw these “huntsmen” go off in search of their prey.I have witnessed the fanfares,the gut wrenching general excitement these things go hand in hand with.I have saw the grouse chasers.the deer-hunters,the tree planters.come up year after year,a yearly jolly jape to Scotland,to hunt and kill..Their 4×4’s,shaking in excitement,little aubrey and lady stuck up-coo,in the back. It offends me,and yes,Im working class and proud too.
and yes i DO realise certain things have to be culled.in a HUMANE way.Not to satisfy the ilk of Prince Charles and his brood.Most deers that are shot,are out foraging to feed their young,leaving young deer to perish.Whatever those jolly types “bag” is usually ripped apart,the blood rubbed on the younger members of the “hunts” head,their heads stuffed and mounted.
And yes i eat meat,and YES i beleive farming methods should be investigated.Unfortunatly not many people canafford to eat organic,free range etc,,and i shudder to think what goes into certain products of ready made meals !so forgive,what appears to be double standards,as i slip into leather shoes and wear lanolin based cosmetics.
my argument is political..if not apathetic (wry smile) .
hope they choke on their next Stirrup cup..
Why dont politics come into your food chain, it is far worse and far more barbaric than anything else so why do you bypass it surely it is still politics? It appears that you are slating the class of people hunting which would suggest that you dont have animals best interests at heart but more dislike the type of person that you assume goes hunting?
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@holisticjo wrote:
@kevin wrote:
2 of my neighbours keep pigeons
i have just ordered an air rifle
no idea if its legal
i’m going to pop everyone that lands in my garden
vermin aren’t they?Why would you want to kill someone elses animals?
Because pigeons are just not worthy enough for this earth.
BANG !
The least worthy animal on the planet the only one who goes against the flow of nature and doesnt fit in is a human!!
gee I guess Im just another loser then!!!! I never used to think this much until I became a turkey murderer!! :?
Sorry forgot to mention what my phase was, I dont know where my prorities are on earth!! I love animals so shouldnt eat meat or wear leather or use products tested on animals or drive a car because of the environment or wear clothes or use leather equipment for my horses or feed my dogs and cats on rubbish pet food or live in a house. I guess the only way to be totally kind to animals and the environment is to live naked in the woods and live on lifes offerings! Its that extreme to be devoted to your morals surely? So if I dont do those things am I a hypocrit?
Interesting! Thanks for the opinions. I am going through a phase currently, whereby I moved into the beautiful Derbyshire countryside last year, I am from a working class single parent family, I have always loved animals and in particular horses. I used to dream about them as a youngster despite having no contact or association with them. I started off at the age of 13 helping out at a local riding school for free rides, the best way in my opinion you learn so much more, I left school at 16 and went straight into an apprenticship with horses. I did my qualifications over 3 years. Hunting is/was always a sport associated with horses wherever you went most people had been hunting or cubbing at some stage, it was just the norm, within the horsey circle. I asked people about the goings on and whether they had ever seen the fox being caught, most said that they had only been on one hunt where a fox was actually located and caught, others said they had never actually watched the hounds in the act. One said he had seen the hounds catch a fox and it had been over before he had blinked, like 20 hounds killing one fox took seconds. I had never really considered it to be a terrible thing. Just the same as Id never considered factroy farming to be a terrible thing. Since living on our farm I have learned more about real life than I ever could being blinkered in the city. We raised 6 turkeys for christmas last year, we wanted them to have a good diet and some freedom to be birds, they were so inbred to carry as much meat as possible that inspite of our natural feeding methods they could barely stand at the end. A farmer was assigned to help us kill them but he let us down and I had to be part responsible for it, I held them while my partner chopped their heads off, this seemed the quickest and easiest way to do it, people had advised us to break there necks but trust me their necks were fatter than my arms and it would have been a slow painful experience for us all after the first one I had had enough, the other 5 were waiting in there stable looking at us just as they had when we went into feed them or let them out to grass, thoses poor turkeys had no idea what was coming there way. We managed to get through it but I can tell you now it was the worst experience of my life, it was like a horror film but all over my skin and clothes, we plucked and gutted them until midnight and I will never forget it. Since being here we have been informed as to the goings on in slaughter houses, like cows hanging up with no skin left on but still having a pulse. Chickens so pumped up with additives that by the age of 6 weeks there bodies are big enough for us to eat but too big for there little legs to carry them, battery hens with no feathers, pigs not quite stunned before having there throats cut, halal butchers stringing any animal up by one leg and cutting its throat until it bleeds to death. When I think of all the suffering caused in our food chain I get so angry that meat eaters condone the ban, a wild fox who has a bloody good life in comparison to our food, occasionally gets caught and ripped up by 20 hounds within seconds and they say thats cruel whist tucking in to their sunday roast. I am in no way condoning the hunt by pointing out our food chain but double standards spring to mind. I think if people have such strong words they should go and experience real life before backing up any law, our priorities are all wrong and the main reason our food chain is in such a mess is all a mater of money.
For me 21 was a crap age really depressing but its all been on the up since then, I think people build it up too much!!
@kevin wrote:
2 of my neighbours keep pigeons
i have just ordered an air rifle
no idea if its legal
i’m going to pop everyone that lands in my garden
vermin aren’t they?Why would you want to kill someone elses animals?
No neutral!
