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Lol hi Claire, pleased to meet you too :lol:
Just for you “Claire”
Things aren’t always as you think you see them :wink:
“What you do makes a difference and you have to decide what kind of difference you want to make.”
– Jane GoodallNegative people need drama like oxygen. Stay positive, it will take their breath away.
I agree, but I don’t think the answer is to stop farming animals. There has to be a middle ground.
So lets release all the animals into the wild and go back to hunting them for food, clothing, etc?
No veterinary care for them, survival of the fittest, and if we don’t get a clean kill the animal suffers…and so on…
(playing devils advocate here ) :wink:
I doubt that it’s the Aborigines that have made a business out of it. Generally speaking, traditional remedies that become more widely available become so because someone sees the potential and makes the investment to ramp up production and distribution and then reaps the rewards. If the people who first developed the remedies are lucky then the investor will have a social conscience and they will also see some benefit.
“Animals are now being raised and exploited for this purpose.”
Is that any different to any other farmed animals? Cattle? Sheep? Pigs? Farmed fish?@tinks wrote:
interesting posts from you two ladies………..what about the term ‘vegan’?……..heard it many times and always associated it with no meat, no dairy, no leather goods, no cleaning or cosmetics that are tested on animals etc……….in other words ‘no nothing’
neither of you mentioned this…………curious meat eater here
A vegan does not eat anything that comes from an animal, alive or dead, and may extend this into not using any products that come from animal derivatives. Like vegetarians, the extent that they embrace it depends on their reasons for adopting it in the first place.
My ex followed a vegan diet for a while as it is supposed to help reverse type 2 diabetes. It did bring his blood sugar levels down but it was very restrictive…eating out was a nightmare, even vegetarian restaurants didn’t seem able to cater very well for vegans. He was doing it for health reasons though and still wore leather shoes, wool and so on which got some funny looks when he was asking for vegan food rather than vegetarian.
I did work with a vegan many years ago who did it for moral reasons and it seemed to become an obsession. He ate more processed food than anyone I knew though and I was never convinced that it was healthy, nor was I convinced when he squeezed a grey gloop out of a tube like a tomato puree tube, spread it onto a dry cracker, took a bite then rolled his eyes and pronounced “mmmmm mushroom pate, yum yum”.
Each to their own.
@blossom‘ wrote:
My definition of a vegetarian is the same as the one given by the Vegetarian Society, in addition to that I’d include that a vegetarian shouldn’t be using any cleaning products/cosmetics/toiletries/or any other product in which any cruelty to animals is involved.
Doesn’t that depend on why they are vegetarians? I have several friends who are vegetarians but 2 in particular spring to mind; 1 is vegetarian because she simply doesn’t like the taste or texture of meat, the other is vegetarian because meat and fish make her medical condition worse. Both will happily wear leather shoes and coats and eat sweets containing gelatine and use other animal related products.
@blossom‘ wrote:
My point was however, why do we have to use products which hit you in the face with the fact they’ve been made with slaughtered animals or have clearly caused any suffering to animals by what they state on the label?
I don’t want to sound like a hypocrite, but I find it rather cruel, as there are other options, but perhaps that’s just me.If you are in continuous long term pain you long for relief. The body builds up a resistance to conventional medication so you end up taking more and more pills, poisoning your body, for less and less effect. It’s not just the physical side, it’s the mental and emotional impact too, it wears you down and lowers your immune system…I could go on but you get the picture. Whilst we would all prefer to have an effective remedy that doesn’t cause any suffering to any animal, there are days when someone in pain would take almost anything just for some blessed relief.
I am not a vegetarian; I have always known and have now had it confirmed by a clinical nutritionist that I need some meat in my diet, a minimum of 2 to 3 times a week. Having said that, I try to ensure that the meat is as ethically sourced as possible with the minimum suffering to the animal.
The Aborigines, who are credited with discovering the medicinal properties of emu oil, the Native Americans and many other indigenous groups had a similar view to animals. Only take what you need, i.e. don’t kill for the fun of it; give thanks to the animal for giving it’s life so that you can be fed and clothed; use as much of the animal as you can out of respect to the sacrifice the animal has made. I like that approach. And I would prefer the products that I use to make it clear what’s in them, not hide it in some gobbledegook list of ingredients in tiny lettering that you need a magnifying glass to read.
But perhaps that’s just me. :wink:
Well look here now then boyo it’s like this.
The train is running late because of the sheep on the line but it’s ok, we’ve tied them to a lamp post so Caerphilly has got itself a new leisure centre see. Tidy mun.
Don’t let them English tell you we burn houses down, we’re just keeping a welcome in the hillside where we’ll get you to just as soon as we can.
Now, do you want a cup of tea while you’re waiting, I got some teisan lap here too, that should keep you going until tea time.