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Chances… by Athlete
Take all your chances while you can
You never know when they’ll pass you by
Like a sum the mathematician cannot solve
Like me trying my hardest to explainIt’s all about your cries and kisses
Those first steps that I can’t calculate
I need some more of you to take me overTake me over
If I had the chance to start again
Then you would be the one I’d come and find
Like the poster of Berlin on my wall
Maybe there’s a chance our walls might fallIt’s all about your cries and kisses
Those first steps that I can’t calculate
I need some more of you to take me overIt’s all about your cries and kisses
Those first steps that I can’t calculate
I need some more of you to take me overI know I because I cant calculate
How to respect you
How to start again
How to start again
How to start againIt’s all about you
@panda12 wrote:
@pikey wrote:
Teachers certainly do coach for success at exams. Like I say, I don’t blame them. I’ve had many a friend tell me stories of how the grapevine communicating the ‘flavour’ of the upcoming tests works. The brighter kids go in to tests having a fail-safe selection of essay answers ‘rote’ learnt.
Yes it’s called past papers – looking at previous exam questions and getting kids to answer them.
So I guess the exam boards are at fault for not setting totally random questions?
And it’s not just the “brighter” kids that benefit – it’s any kid that is prepared to put in the hard work and study and the desire to learn.
As for “rote” learnt – the fact you can read and write is “rote” learnt. The mere fact you can express an opinion is not “rote” learnt. That is down to education developing your mind. :roll:
Rote learning, unless I am very much mistaken, is to learn something by repeating it often enough it sticks. But, you can memorise mathematical equations or great chunks of shakespeare, and pass exams as a result. But this does not mean that their minds are trained in thinking. Original thought cannot be taught, but give someone the time and space and tools to truly learn, and hey presto, original ideas are born. If you churn out scores of youngsters who can pass exams, you are missing the opportunity of teaching them how to think.
And leaving aside the question of whether the internet is making us shallower, I do wonder if it is making us less friendly, less aware of the people we encounter? Anyone who has ever contributed to a blog knows how ferocious, nasty and malicious electronic responses can be – depersonalised and anonymous, too. People write things via electronic anonymity that they would never put their name to in person. And that’s leaving aside all the superficial “friendships” struck up through social networking sites
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How very true this paragraph is. I have witnessed verbal rages in chat rooms, on message boards, in response to blogs etc, and I hope to god that the people who do this don’t behave that way in the real world. Not everyone behaves like that though. There are a lot of people who use the internet who behave with propriety, and I agree with poli that there are many firm bonds made through social networking sites. But how many of them could survive the transition into the real world?
The human mind is a marvelous instrument. The internet is also a pretty amazing tool. But as in all things, it is the individual way that everyone uses either of these amazing tools that is the crux. Some people who use the internet probably had the attention spans of gnats to begin with. Others will look at the internet as a resource, a fund of information and knowledge and rich experiences. Shallow? Well, perhaps people who are shallow as a result of using mobiles, emails and the internet were shallow to begin with?
Personally, I spend most of my working day concentrating very hard, and therefore a bit of mindless chat and fun can be a relaxing way to end a busy week.
I have just re-read poli’s post and she made a lot of these points too and I am in agreement with her.
Perhaps we should all follow the maxim of “a little bit of everything does you good”. I do think some people become too involved with groups of people online, and you can almost see their individuality disappearing before your eyes!
So panda’s shlt in the wood?
She actually checked up and down the road to make sure nobody was coming before she put the poor thing in the bin! There is no excuse. She cannot say she did it as a joke, it was definitely done with cruel deliberation. I hear the police have had to put her in protective custody.
Has Youtube taken over as modern day stocks?
@panda12 wrote:
@minim wrote:
What I was saying was that they have to be able to apply the book learning, in applied ways, for the knowledge to stick!
Rote learning is no use at all without practical application. And as for teachers…. what is the old adage, those that can do, those that can’t teach.
Rote learning is quick memorization for the purposes of learning lines for a play, song etc.
A doctor, teacher or engineer wouldn’t use that style of learning – it would be impossible to pass their exams if they did. And they gain valuable practicable experience whilst training with work placements.
Seems like one of life’s failures taught you to fail spectacularly well!
If I was you, I’d stop digging now.
Oh dear, I seem to have touched a nerve :wink:
What I was saying was that they have to be able to apply the book learning, in applied ways, for the knowledge to stick!
Rote learning is no use at all without practical application. And as for teachers…. what is the old adage, those that can do, those that can’t teach.
most doctors that come onto the wards are practically useless until they get experience on the job panda. Same goes for all the other jobs you mention. They do a certain amount of time in university studying before they let them loose on the wards, and then they start their real learning. As for vets, engineers etc etc. The same thing applies. They have to work on the job and learn as they go along. And….most of the occupations you list take years before they are given free rein in their chosen environment. They are effectively apprentices AFTER they have done some book learning.
I rest my case :wink:
@panda12 wrote:
@rubyred wrote:
NO.. not at all Panda. Im meaning the self gloaters, the pat themselves on the back types. for every kid that goes to UNI THERE ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT NEVER WILL GET THE OPPURTUNITY.. IM LIVID !
Och well .
Very true and the division is getting wider. It is going back to an eltist system where only those with money can afford to go and we know those with money aren’t always the brightest sparks :(
I agree the system is getting more and more unfair. And, a lot of kids who come from poorer homes have massive debts to pay at the end of their years at Uni. Whereas those with rich parents just get their loans paid off for them! Open University is doing well though as people opt out of going to Uni and decide to work and get a univeristy degree online at a fraction of the cost. I still think that academic achievement is ok, but it proves nothing except that you can take in information and regurgitate it in a format that gets you brownie points. But, its the system we have, and hopefully some kids come out of all the learning with something useful in their skulls. And, some people go into further education to become teachers themselves, and hopefully some of THEM will be enthusiastic enough about their subjects to inspire.
I agree with a lot of what has been said on this thread. Taking up a point poli made about well rounded human beings… i agree, to have children turn into adults who take a pride in themselves and whatever they decide to do is worth more than any academic qualification. And let’s not forget that having academic qualifications does not guarantee anyone a job. It only gives potential employers a guide to potential. Some exceptionally brainy people cannot apply themselves in the working market, and some people with NO qualifications at all, can end up self made millionaires.
