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only 1 in 5 under 25 year olds have ever worked in this country. People are leaving universities with degrees,and they cannot get work. Now, some people are prepared to do just about anything, but they are competing with work migrants from the EU, and they have an advantage because most of them speak english, whereas our youngsters find it hard to get work abroad because they cannot speak german or french very easily, let alone polish or bulgarian!
Everyone seems to be trying to mitigate what these two boys did by blaming their upbringing. And to some extent I can see that the social services failed them terribly… just like they failed Baby P.
But….. these are the kinds of people who end up doing what the two men who mutilated and murdered Baby P did. Same kind of people. The only difference is that these two got caught and will maybe stand a chance now, and in the future perhaps it will save these two lads from killing small children who happen to stray into their vaccinity.
So….. are these kind of chilren born or are they created by their environments? The two children who killed Jamie Bulger were from good homes allegedly. How much of the way these two from Doncaster behaved was as a result of their upbringing and how much was because they were sadistic little monsters and they just got to it a bit earlier than they would have if they had been born into “good homes”?
Too late.. i think the cats out the bag now Pete!!!
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So whats the conclusion of this thread?
Without a constant influx of people from other societies and countries, this country would be all the poorer. We have been “invaded” by… and forgive me if they are out of order… cro magnon man, the romans, the vikings, the anglo saxons and a few others…. ok from that time on people tried and failed… and this country went out into the world and did a fair bit of invading itself.
I think what people don’t want is to lose their cultural identity, and if too many people arrive on our shores too quickly, our infrastructure is stretched to breaking point. This has happened in the past but sorted itself out over time, and I am sure it will happen again, however, the population of the british isles is now over £70 million! thats a massive number of people for such a small group of islands.
But as people arrive here, people also leave.
What isn’t publicised so well is the rate at which people are actually leaving.
The number of people leaving the UK for 12 months or more reached a record high in 2008, with an estimated 427,000 people emigrating. This was up from 341,000 in 2007 and 398,000 in 2006. This rise was as a result of a 50 per cent increase in
non-British citizens emigrating from 169,000 in 2007 to 255,000 in 2008. Just over half of the 86,000 increase were citizens of the A8 Accession countries which joined the EU in 2004.Can’t find the figures for 2009, but the numbers are still going up apparently.
I know of someone who was brain damaged and paralysed to the extent that to start with she couldn’t even blink. Eventually she managed to blink in response to questions. They could only indicate that they understood what was being answered by blinking once for yes and twice for no. They were eventually asked if they were in pain… Blink…. terrible pain? Blink….. It had taken her six months to be able to blink and she had been brain damaged and paralysed for longer than that, and in constant pain and not able to tell anyone. She will never be able to move more that to blink, and she will always be in constant pain and dependent on pain killers.
So should this mother have killed her son? I won’t judge because I have never been in that situation, and I hope to god I never am.
@rubyred wrote:
Tis a proven conclusion, I dont have a problem with the worls, but maybe this world has THE problem with me :) good luck x
I think a lot of people underestimate grief. And people deal with grief in lots of different ways, and none of them are easily understandable unless you have been in the same boat. People are way too fast to judge. But… when your world is torn in two, and you cannot see the next week in front of you, let alone the next year… you do whatever you can to stop the pain. Grief causes terrible damage, and a great many people are changed forever by it.
Just keep on being you rubes….you are a gem .. and the world is a richer place because it has you in it.
The Halifax branches are appalling. Their head office is full of feckwits and the fact you can’t get tenners out of their cash machines is just the tip of a total incompetence iceberg!!!
apart from that they’re quite good
@kent f OBE wrote:
oooo mims thats the same dance you did on that hen meet :lol:
shushhhhhhh kenty :D damn! my secret is out now
As for you Pete.. I dare not ask what you were looking for when you came across that!
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Even the police have to get a search warrant to enter your premises. I think the only people who you have to let in are the gas and electric people to read the meters.
The BBC should abandon its licence. Its so far up its own bottom now it has forgotten why it existed in the first place.
Drinking……………and I don’t mean three or four pints or a few glasses of wine, I mean really dangerously heavy drinking .. is getting worse and worse amongst youngsters. The medical profession are very worried about the affects of it all.
Not just the antisocial element. Though drink affects some people in aggressive ways.
The damage done by alcohol in the public image largely centres upon the liver. However, the liver damage is so severe by the time it is noticed that there is often no way back.
Other, less well known affects, include the ones Delbert has mentioned – plus, erectile dysfunction, muscle wasting, swollen and bleeding blood vessels in the stomach. Ascites which is water and bloating on the stomach. There is also such strain placed on the liver and the blood vessels around it that the kidneys can also fail as a result. People as young as 25 have almost irreversible cirrhosis of the liver.
People also….fall out of windows and end up paralysed. Jump from heights and break bones. Crack their heads open on pavements. Walk in front of moving vehicles. Wake up with no memory of what they have done and later find out they have contracted an STD. And thats on the good nights. Oh… and i suspect they may even fall out of moving ambulances and end up brain damaged.
And the old adage that whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, in this case doesn’t hold true.
As for Delbert’s podcast……….you don’t need a podcast, just go out into any town centre on a Friday or Saturday night and look about.
