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Good to see you back me ol’ mucker.
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If you can’t beat em……..
…..you’ll wont be arrested and have to face a prison sentence.
Or was that supposed to have a different less confrontational ending?
The bit about avoiding prison is a good message though!
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@jen_jen wrote:
How do you know that skin colour had anything to do with it? Maybe there were other reasons? Did they think someone else, a friend maybe, should have got the job for instance?
I remember, many years ago, a guy joining our office. He was truly obnoxious and rubbed everyone up the wrong way from the off with the result that hardly anyone talked to him unless they had to and he never got invited for an after-work drink. It obviously got to him then one day he exploded “why won’t any of you ignorant b@stards talk to me? It’s because I’m Asian isn’t it? isn’t it? come on admit it!”
The office went quiet and then a voice piped up “no, it’s because you’re an obnoxious little prick.” The guy who said it was our blind audio typist who didn’t know that he was Asian…What you say is very true, although prejudice is not always obvious.
It took my father a few years, and a colleague taking him aside and pointing it out to him, to realise that he was on the wrong side of the Catholic /Protestant divide in his office. Nobody was abusive, in fact they were very civil, he just wasn’t looked after when it came to promotion. That was all solved instantly when he moved job, but he shouldn’t really have had to.
If what has been reported is true, John Terry combined the swear word with the reference to race. As I said in an earlier post, if someone says I am a Scot, it is merely a statement of fact, and if they call me a swear word I have probably just wound them up. If however they call me a “f**king Scottish ****” that is a totally different matter.
From what you said this guy was unpopular because of his behaviour. He wrongly assumed it was his race. If someone had called him “an Asian ****” it would have been pretty obvious that was an issue, just like calling someone a “fat ****” is different from just using a swear word. (Btw how did the blind audio typist know he was little? :lol:)
Despite lots of protests about political correctness, racism does happen. We have all experienced or witnessed it. Just because there are plenty of perfectly decent people out there, doesn’t mean that people are not excluded just because they are different.
But as your post pointed out, sometimes that difference is nothing to do with their background, race, disabilities, religion or sexual orientation – it’s just because they are a tosser.
In our house we sum it all up with the Ali G quote “Is it because I is black?” to which the appropriate non racist answer is “no, it’s because you is a twat”.
:shock: :o :lol:
This post is entirely based on earlier comments about John Terry admitting using the language quoted earlier on this thread.
Assuming that is the case, when you get paid a huge amount of money and are expected to be a role model, you should know that coming out with a diatribe that mixes pointing out the colour of someone’s skin and using a Germanic based swear word, will only cause trouble. If someone says I am Scottish they are telling the truth. When someone calls me a f**king Scottish **** (pick how many stars) they are being offensive. There is a difference.
In other words, no matter who has ever been accused of found guilty of anything, Terry
- represented his country as England captain
has played football for years
is experienced enough (but obviously not wise enough) to control himself, and
earns a flaming packet.
Surely the least he could do is show a tiny amount of restraint. Given that he didn’t, he can expect to have to deal with the consequences – especially because of the fact that he is a public figure and a sporting hero. However unfair, that is exactly how the law works. You can get away with certain things in private or if you are a nobody, but not in his position.
As for the “racist abuse has happened to me, my family or somebody I knew” argument; I don’t doubt that for one second. Racist abuse is always wrong – people have loads of prejudices but they are required to keep some of them to themselves in public places, and the workplace.
Just because someone is punched in the face and nobody gets prosecuted doesn’t mean that anyone who is prosecuted should have our sympathies. Sometimes you get caught doing 85mph, sometimes you don’t. It’s still your responsibility whether you are caught or not.
It’s not the worst case of racial abuse anyone has seen, but, on the face of it, if he said what people have reported, it seems hard to defend.
It wasn’t me – I only started posting again a couple of months ago, and anyway I don’t have the sweet talk for that kind of stuff!
Just as difficult as in real life. People say they want to be told they’re being dumped on but the messenger is often shot.
I think it’s better to quietly tell those involved so that they could try to deal with it in dignity. of course it could all still blow up in everybody’s faces, leaving the one who blew the whistle looking like the bad guy.
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@jen_jen wrote:
@sceptical guy wrote:
Any realistic ideas on a human way out of the vicious circle, anyone?
Treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself? Or is that not realistic?
Oh and there’s always the ignore facility…wonderful invention, doesn’t wear out no matter how often you use it :wink:
I’d go with the “do unto others…” thing.
Maybe I’m just soft but I always apologise if I think I have upset someone. Rarely I will intend to make a sharp reply but only after sustained and personally insulting abuse.
Hey, someone stuck a joiner with a beard on a bit of wood about 2000 years ago for saying wouldn’t it be lovely round here if we were all a bit nicer to each other. The joiner bloke may be a figment of somebody’s imagination, or you may prefer another spiritual fixer, but he kinda had a point.
8)
Can do, as long as the people concerned aren’t lying to each other (or themselves).
Oh hang on this is the internet, made for deception – that narrows the odds a bit!
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There is always the possibility that he will step onto the court the great British hope for victory and step out as a defeated Scotsman. Look how harsh the media was with Henman, despite being consistently in the top 10 in the world. I would love to be the world’s number 10 at something.
Murray is however our most complete tennis player for years and I wish him all the best.
:)
Yes – the backside – or does that mean something else?
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@anc wrote:
Btw – you might want to explain the “cheese-eating, surrender monkey” statement. I’m not sure I get it or its historical roots.
If you look on another thread I posted about monkey plants, can’t be arsed to see which one it is on – the roots are under the plant which grows above the soil! :wink: :lol:
I genuinely laughed out loud at that one.
Thank you!
