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The policemen who beat Rodney King were acquitted too. It doesn’t mean they didn’t commit any crime though. They were caught on tape just like Griffin and Collett. Griffin said that if someone told the police what he had just said he would get 7 years in prison. If that’s not an admission of guilt I don’t know what is.
Emma, call me crazy but I happen to think The Treasury knows more about government spending than UKIP. You can read the BBC article yourself:
Just to correct you all, MI5 deals with any threat to national security so they do work overseas at times to deal with foreign-based threats.
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@chathostuk wrote:
Yes, I was waiting for someone to go collect the true facts in response to my sarcastic response to Emma’s figures. Quite a difference from the £14bn (over 21bn in Euros) she quoted. Not that Emma takes all the statements from the BNP website as complete and utter truth, of course – she was only out by about five times over ;)
I was quoting the UKIP leader nigel farage who said recently it was approximately £15B.
“…the current estimates put it at £11 billion. The pro-EU Institute of Directors calculated it as more than double – and rising. Indirect costs – complying with regulations, loss of earnings from farming, fishing, etc., raise the overall cost still further.
Withdrawal from the EU would yield Britain a £25 billion Independence Dividend.”
http://www.ukip.org/index.php?menu=10reasons&page=10reasonstoleavetheeumr bigastuff looks to have quoted a break down limited version of cost by a pro european and anti-English media outfit.
So my chathost, next time you wana make yourself look good for the benefit of your website, THINK before you critisize in taking sides with a failed poster :D
The be all of this is, that whatever the net contribution and overall cost to the eu is, its too much, and shows that our political masters have yet again failed in their duties to represent the people who put them there via our taxes.
The BBC article used statistics obtained from HM Treasury and The European Commission, but what would they know. I’m sure UKIP and Talksport are much more reliable sources.
Griffin and Collett were guilty as sin, caught on tape “in flagrante delicto”. Griffin admitted that he had commited a crime. They were deliberately scare-mongering and inciting hatred. Either the jury decided it was a case of inciting hatred towards a religious group rather than racial hatred or they mistakenly thought it was a case of free speech. Either way, those 2 scumbags got away with their hate-mongering.
You can see from the extracts I posted that this wasn’t a theological discussion, this was incitement against muslims and asians. Griffin should be locked up in a cell with Abu Hamza. That’s where they both belong.
It appears that there’s been a rise in neo-nazi activity and associated racist attacks across Europe. It seems like history is repeating itself because most people don’t take the issue that seriously just like the potential menace of the far-right in the 1930s was underestimated. Ask yourself whether it would have been better to have crushed right-wing extremists in the 1930s, thereby saving around 55 million lives, or was it better to respect their freedom of speech?
If you think the past could never be repeated, just bear in mind that far-right extremists were members of European coalition governments relatively recently with Jorg Haider (A man who openly praised the SS) even becoming vice-chancellor of Austria.
All this sophistry about “the right to offend” seems pointless to me. The activities of subversives have to be disrupted for the greater public good. Give these people a chance to gain political power and they will strip you of the rights that you try to defend.
You have the audacity to call me an idiot but you don’t even realize that you can be arrested for shouting “fire” in a crowded place as a practical joke.
Griffin and Collet’s words are self-evident. Their purpose is to stir up hatred towards asians and muslims. What else do you call the suggestion that asians/muslims will harm someone in your family if you don’t do something about them?
What is true about the claim that it’s acceptable in muslim culture to take white women by force or by deception? If anything, muslim parents prefer their kids to have relationships with other muslims rather than people of another faith.
It shows how screwed up this country is when a person can be caught on video and audio inciting hatred against minorities, he admits what he’s saying is a crime and yet the jury acquits him. That’s Yorkshire for you.
I found some excerpts from the speeches that Griffin and Collett made. Decide for yourself whether you think they are intended to incite hatred against Asians and muslims. As you can see, it’s a lot more than just saying Islam is a “wicked, vicious faith”.
Nick Griffin:
“These 18, 19, and 25-year-old Asian Muslims who are seducing and raping white girls in this town right now are not particularly good Muslims, they drink and all the rest of it, but still part of what they are doing comes from what they are taught is acceptable….Their good book [the Qur’an] tells them that that’s acceptable……..It’s part of their plan for conquering countries. It’s how they do it”
“….and you will find verse after verse after verse which says that you can take any women you want as long as they’re not Muslim women – any woman that your right arm can own. That’s the sword arm, it’s the fighting arm, it’s the arm you hit a white lad with a baseball bat with … that’s the sword, the fighting arm. Any woman that they can take by force or guile is theirs. If they get a non Muslim girl and they get her pregnant then her community doesn’t want her and the child generally grows up to be a Muslim. And that’s the way that this wicked vicious faith has expanded from a handful of cranky lunatics about thirteen hundred years ago, till it’s now sweeping country after country before it all over the world … And if you’ve got young children in your family, or teenage girls, or slightly older boys, or pensioners, then you’ve got to stand up and do something for the British National Party, because otherwise they will do for someone in your family. That is the truth. For saying that, I tell you I would get seven years if I said that outside – if I said that in front of people who would go and report it to the police.”
Mark Collett:
“When these Asians go out looking for a victim, they don’t go looking for Asian victims.
They don’t go mugging Asian grandmas, they don’t go stabbing each other, they don’t go trying to solicit sex off little Pritesh or little Sanjita, they go straight to the whites because they are trying to destroy us and they are the racists. If you want these people out and to stop asylum seekers coming in, then vote for the BNP”The BNP fights to defend nazism, nothing else. As for freedom of speech, there has never been absolute freedom of speech, there have always been things that lawmakers have banned people from saying. You can’t mischievously shout “fire” in a crowded theatre, you can’t say that the monarch should be killed, and you can’t call for the extermination of a race. Laws against incitement are clearly aimed at stopping unrest and disorder within our society.
If some demagogue goes around saying that muslims will harm your kids and take your women by force then those people who believe what that person is saying will be more inclined to attack, abuse, or discriminate against muslims. As usual, the neo-nazis are scapegoating a minority for all the ills of the world. Their emphasis used to be on Jews but now they are focusing on muslims because they know that their message resonates with some ignorant people just like the rhetoric against Jews worked in the 1930s/1940s.
Fortunately, the government doesn’t plan to sit on its laurels and is proposing a toughening up of race-hate legislation so that extremists can’t get off on technicalities. They will probably run into difficulties again with people who naively think it’s an issue of free speech.
If your going to use Talksport as your source you might as well go the whole hog and quote someone from your local pub. Some mickey mouse sports radio phone-in show is not a credible source when it comes to current affairs and other political matters. How utterly ridiculous! I mean Jon Gaunt and James Whale, as if they know anything about anything? What are their credentials, playing records and writing columns in the gutter press. Who gives a toss what those clowns think.
I hope you noted well that the Sun’s claims are nothing but crap, but then again what do you expect from a scummy rag like that. All they’re good for is taking pictures of dying people and page 3 tarts.
