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@j_in_france wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
@j_in_france wrote:
I would disagree that ‘all’ killers have a motive because I think that in some circumstances people do something without realising the consequences but another person may end up dead .
I am referrng to killers who are murderers, which this thread is about, not killers who are not murderers.
In England, murder has to have two components present, Mens Rea and Actus Reus. The former is the mental thought to commit murder, the latter is the act itself.
Killers who are not murderers are considered to be guilty of manslaughter. Actus Reus is present but not Mens Rea.
so
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actus_reusI thought this thread. given its title. was about Mohamed Merah and what he did was done in France, so English law would not be applicable
France also splits killing into murder and manslaughter categories.
@j_in_france wrote:
I would disagree that ‘all’ killers have a motive because I think that in some circumstances people do something without realising the consequences but another person may end up dead .
I am referrng to killers who are murderers, which this thread is about, not killers who are not murderers.
In England, murder has to have two components present, Mens Rea and Actus Reus. The former is the mental thought to commit murder, the latter is the act itself.
Killers who are not murderers are considered to be guilty of manslaughter. Actus Reus is present but not Mens Rea.
Reports said he went to Pakistan to be trained by Al Q.
All killers have a motive when they kill. Even those that thrill kill. The motive is the enjoyment.
Some ppl may be able to sympathise with a killer but it depends on the motive.
@jen_jen wrote:
No, I’m sorry, it does not explain it to me.
Many people are appalled at the unnecessary loss of life of both children and adults in many countries across the world. They don’t then go out killing other children and adults using those deaths to justify their actions. It explains nothing.
It helps explain what this extremist, trained by terrorists in Pakistan, perceived to be his “motive.”
You don’t agree with his motive or actions and neither do I but my point is, the killing of Palestinian children is what drove this irrational man to kill.
@jen_jen wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
I don’t agree with what he did but he’s not the only one to have killed a little girl just because he can.
Read this:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/child-killed.html
The soldier got off scot free. Now perhaps you can understand why Merah did what he did.
No, that does not explain why he did what he did.
He launched 3 separate attacks, cold blooded, premeditated, and he even filmed them. He killed 3 soldiers to avenge his “brothers”, and then 3 children and an adult. That’s 4 adults and 3 children, not “one little girl with Jewish background”. Who knows how many more he would have gone on to kill. When the siege came to a head he came out all guns blazing – literally.Any unneccesary loss of life is abhorrent, whatever the circumstances, race or creed of the perpetrator or the victim. Personally I’d rather he’d been captured alive and denied the salvation he believed he would get for dying for his cause.
Merah stated his motive was to avenge the deaths of Palestinian children. So yes my link to the murder of the young Palestinian girl does help to explain and understand what drove him to do what he did. :roll:
@j_in_france wrote:
Three young Jewish children shot dead as well as the father of two of them, three french people killed, an unarmed American teenager killed by police in Florida, 10 people killed in an attack on a bus in Syria.
Thousands die each day all over the world. In some cases it is due to circumstances as above but many die to infected water supplies, treatable medical conditions or simple malnourishment.
Yes I believe it is a good thing Merah is no longer able to kill others as that appeared to be his soul purpose once he had started but let us try not to focus just on the extremes we hear in the news but of the day to day deaths that occur in other countries
Yes I agree with you. One thing I don’t think the World is prepared for though is an hysterical, irrational Teapot sprouting hypocritcal shyte.
@kent f OBE wrote:
I will never understand why some people abuse in chat rooms.
The majority of us do not know anyone well at all..and the few that manage to find close friendships…well they wouldn’t abuse their friends anyway.
So why? What is lacking in their lives if anything? Is it a psycological thing? Or just a game? Do they really feel good after abusing? Even normal things chatters do get turned into reasons for abuse…complete madness!
Oh…..btw….my abuser last night said my pies were shit…………how rude!! :lol:
The abusers if you think about it are probably those you chat with everyday or who you consider to be “friends” or even “close friends.”
How else would they know things about you and your life?
Yes there are lots of people in the chat room but how many actually chat? Some just sit there and observe and others just leave because certain ppl take over and “police” the room.
Our dear troll “Coathanger” wasn’t a chatter but sat there watching the room and making notes for her stories.
Mr Anderson? Did he ever chat in the room? I doubt it. But he still wrote stories.
At least when I wrote my stories and abused ppl I did it under my own name rather than pretend to be someone else.
The funny thing is Kenty, you thought Mr Anderson’s abusive stories were good. Probably because you weren’t the subject of them.
At least those that were had the balls to laugh about it rather than complain.
So I guess the moral of this story is, if you are happy to laugh at the abuse others receive, then be prepared to accept it back.
@mrs_teapot wrote:
Mohamed Merah is dead…. good say I!!!!
Any man who can cooly hold a little girl by the ponytail while he throws away a gun that has jammed and replace it with another to shoot her at point blank range deserves death.
Don’t start telling me about kids who have died in wars…this man was pure evil… in my opinion anyway….. only problem of course is he is now a martyr… …. pure evil cannot go unpunished though and I’m glad he is dead.
@panda12 wrote:
I don’t agree with what he did but he’s not the only one to have killed a little girl just because he can.
Read this:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/child-killed.html
The soldier got off scot free. Now perhaps you can understand why Merah did what he did. .
@mrs_teapot wrote:
No I don’t understand not in the least… firstly two wrongs do not make a right… secondly the little girl Merah killed was going to school. She had not strayed into a high security area, she was simply going to school … the man who killed her did so in cold blood,,, he was not a soldier in a war zone.
Dreadful things happen all over the world .. terrible things… but if we all believed in an eye for an eye without sounding flippant the whole world would be blind. I have no sympathy whatsoever for the man who did this and to be honest I find it incredible that some people do.
Oh dear! What a hypocrite you are! Or are you just a plain racist?
You condemn the killing of one little girl with Jewish background who happens to be living in France and then justify the killing of another little girl who is Arab and living in Palestine.
You say you don’t believe in an “eye for an eye?” Well you do. Merah killed a little girl so you are happy he is dead. Isn’t that an “eye for an eye?”
Merah killed because he had the means and the will to do it. The soldier that killed the little girl in Palestine killed her because he had the will and the means to do so as well.
Both are murderers, whatever the situation.
You really have a very perverse way of looking at things.
I don’t agree with what he did but he’s not the only one to have killed a little girl just because he can.
Read this:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/child-killed.html
The soldier got off scot free. Now perhaps you can understand why Merah did what he did.
@toybulldog wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
It’s hard dealing with them in my “every day” job.
As a Mortuary Technician, I find it hard.
do you now . . . . . . .
You’re so full of crap that . . . . . .. .. erm i dunno.Let that be a lesson to you……. :evil:
Mr Dog, I have had a butchers at a few of your posts. I don’t think they have much pedigree though, chum.
I don’t suspect you winalot of arguments. 8)
