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@gazlan wrote:
The fact is, the vast amount of benefit you talk of is created out of thin air… Virtually every pound created in the DWP accounts for Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit, returns back to them…The remainder you will find is handed over to private landlords reaping the rewards from those unfortunate enough to have LOST their home or fail even to register for public housing because there is NONE available…. Who is responsible for the state of public housing in this country ?
Who is responsible for the disgusting house prices now preventing “ordinary “ people gaining a home ? Who is responsible for the collapse of the economy ? Who pays top up benefits to people on minimum wage to keep their head above water ? Who is responsible for failing to eliminate “ child poverty “ in this country ? Etc,etc, ad infinitum……When you can give me valid answers to all the above, and explain why on earth people who have lost their job, including long term unemployed for NO reason of their own, should do what you say when they have been subjected to all the above and more while the elite class in this country, including the “ poor “ bankers, gorge themselves in the sickening perverted ways they do, and have the audacity to set levels of benefit which they claim is an amount “ the law say’s you need to live on “ …What law would that derive from i wonder ?….You might just convince me to alter my view…. And remember, I said VALID answers !
A run on the banks ? Can you tell me why the banks created such a mess in the first place ?
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Why the system is geared that way?
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I’m no Tory Gaz but I don’t like ppl taking the pish. My chavvy neighbour gets a nice load in state handouts and has done since she got herself pregnant @ the age of 16. I’ve worked it out – she gets about £25k a year or more for doing jack shyte. She doesn’t even bring her kids up properly.
She gets grants for this and grants for that when ppl like me and others on here go to work yet can’t afford half the stuff she’s got.
Tell me if that is right?
Ppl like her you see know that if they get pregnant @ 16 and give birth, they go to the top of the housing list. Within a few weeks thye have a house and then they’re into the benefits system and a nice comfy life.
Take the automatic right to a house away from them and you’ll soon see the pregnancy rate fall. The housing can then be given to families that need it rather than to someone who is playing the system because they have no intention of ever working.
I’m sorry if you don’t know what a run on the banks means – perhaps you might remember large queues gathering outside Northern rock as anxious ppl waited to get their money out before they lost it all.
Yes the bankers are responsible for a lot of the economic problems in this country in the last few years but at the other end you’ve got the bone idle bleeding the benefit system dry.
@gazlan wrote:
If you fit enough to work then why shouldn’t you work for your benefits?
Work where? Under whom? For whom?Why should someone be able to claim more in benefits than what a worker earns each year?
Why the system is geared that way?Housing benefit, council tax benefit, other benefits can total over £20k pa. And for doing what?
For being out of work?What is the alternative? No benefits = homeless = children will suffer = delinquency = crime = prison = private corporations making Billions = Set quotas = unlawful activity to boost profits!
If the banks hadn’t been propped up then they would have failed leaving millions in dire straits with their savings, investments and mortgages.
A run on the banks would have ensued leaving this country up the creak without a paddle.
A run on the banks ? Can you tell me why the banks created such a mess in the first place ? :?
Gaz – if you honestly think ppl should get paid benefits for sitting on their backside then just sums everything that is wrong with this country. The long term unemployed are easily recognisable – they don’t want to work and why should they when they get free money?
Why should the chavvy mother living opposite me get paid £12 000 pa in housing benefit, get another £1300 in council tax benefit and get a shed loads of other benefits just for laying on her back and churning out kid after kid with different fathers? She has never worked and over the course of her kids growing up, she will have taken out in excess of £500k in benefits!
The Fathers of these kids have done a runner and leave the tax payer to pick up the bill.
Stop giving these people benefit and they’ll stop churning out the kids once they realise they will have to work to support them.
Why should my bone idle niece claim benefits for doing bugger all but sleep in bed all day?
There’s lots of long term unemployed who are like that because they are lazy.
It comes to something when you get free money for doing nothing. They’re taking money out the coffers so they should put something in.
I’m sure my bone idle niece and others like her will soon find a job if the alternative is cleaning rivers, railway embankments and public toilets etc.
The benefits system was set up to help those who can’t help themselves – the old, ill, disbaled. Sadly these days, it’s abused by the able bodied bone idle.
@gazlan wrote:
And all this at a time when the less fortunate unemployed now face a mandatory obligation to ” work ” for their benefits… This is the beginning of covert tyranny by these political demons. The state is slowly handing ALL public services over to the cororate slugs, a little research into ” Government ” agencies will uncover information about corporate/Government interaction. We { the nation } borrow money from the banks, the banks collapse and we then borrow more money to bail them out….. Now doesn’t that make sense ? And who pays this ” borrowed ” money back….????????
If you don’t laugh, you’re gonna cry…. :lol:If you fit enough to work then why shouldn’t you work for your benefits?
Why should someone be able to claim more in benefits than what a worker earns each year?
Housing benefit, council tax benefit, other benefits can total over £20k pa. And for doing what?
@bassingbourne55 wrote:
The banks have basically robbed the nation and got away with it. Gordon Brown was basically ‘conned’ , during a moment of blind panic, into paying off the banks with money he hadn’t got and using us taxpayers as the guarantors.
If the banks hadn’t been propped up then they would have failed leaving millions in dire straits with their savings, investments and mortgages.
A run on the banks would have ensued leaving this country up the creak without a paddle.
Then where would we have been? #-o
Your party have sold their soul to get into bed with the Tories to taste a little bit of power before they head off into the political wilderness for good.
It’s your party that is consenting to these mass spending cuts and throwing millions on the dole. That’s really going to stimulate economic growth isn’t it?
Tuition fees – seems they’ve back tracked on that too.
In fact, they have back tracked on almost everything from their manifesto – sacrified everything for the hope that political reform will give them more political power in the future.
It won’t because they have showed their true colours and are assiting in bringing this country to its knees.
Perhaps if Dave and Nick concentrated in getting the £120 billion pounds of uncollected taxes into the coffers rather than going for the easy target of cutting jobs and causing mass unemployment then there might be some hope.
Still if one thing good comes out of this, it will be the death of the Lib Dems.
@thin ice wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
What’s happened to this thread?
It was a Happy Birthday Joker thread wasn’t it?
Mrs Teapot seems ro have deleted her posts…
the serpent eating its tail
Maybe…
Strange it went though…
What’s happened to this thread?
It was a Happy Birthday Joker thread wasn’t it?
Mrs Teapot seems ro have deleted her posts…
@gazlan wrote:
In the words of the very alluring Kate O` Sullivan
“ He is a war criminal and he has pretty much gotten away with it “Not much can be added to that really!
Blair may well be a war criminal in some people’s eyes but it seems he became a war criminal in order to get rid of a bigger, more sinister war criminal – Saddam Hussien.
Hussien it seems was on par with Hitler with his genocide and ethnic cleansing. He too was on par with Stalin with his use of secret police, torture, murder etc to maintain control over the Iraq ppl.
Maybe the reasons for going to war were wrong based on the info of 45 mins and WMD and I’m not condoning or condemning the war but I wonder how the Kurds view Blair? I wonder how ordinary Iraqi ppl view Blair?
Blair didn’t take a unilateral decision to go to war – there was a vote in Parliament. And then if Blair is a war criminal, so too is our current PM as he voted for the war in Parliament.
My perosnal opinion of Blair? A damn good PM.
@kent f OBE wrote:
If you were dying or seriously ill and didn’t know what the outcome of your diagnosis would be….would you keep it from your loved ones?
Obviously if your disease didn’t take a fast hold over your body and you didn’t look ill on the outside it would be possible, otherwise there comes a point when you don’t need to tell anyone, it would be apparant.OMG! So morbid Kenty but interesting and thought provoking.
Diagnosis to death is a journey – one my late sister took. It involves not knowing the prognosis and then knowing. Treatment in the hope of a cure just becomes pain management.
Strangely, it seems people prepare themselves – my sister did – making a will etc.
I think you would need to include your family. After all, you’d need support on that journey. If you kept it to yourself, how would you cope with everyday things?
But also, I think your close loved ones need to go on the journey in order to fully comprehend it all and to finally come to terms with it – closure I suppose when the funeral takes place. Relief also I suppose when their loved ones suffering and pain finally comes to an end.
Jen Jen mentions her cousin was not told by his father about his illness and the son took a while to come to terms with it after his father’s death That’s understandable – he probably felt excluded, useless even as he wasn’t able to help and probably had lots of questions.
Now that son has had to go on a journey all on his own – his mother probably came to terms with it and found closure a lot sooner simply because she knew what was going to happen.
I’m not saying not telling the son was selfish – they had what they thought were his best interests at heart but it may have made his mourning process a lot more difficult and perhaps even cause resentment?
@thin ice wrote:
@kent f OBE wrote:
@thin ice wrote:
any one seen pete
Yes
lurking in gd s new chat site i bet
I heard he’d had a gastric band fitted to stop all that hot air he spews from seeping out.
@kent f OBE wrote:
@Rosepetal wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
@susieq wrote:
Caller display is a marvellous invention :wink:
I know but that means buying a new phone…
I don’t want to avoid auntie talk a lot I just need an excuse to get her off the phone. lol
Tell her you need a poo, she wont want to listen to that will she? :D
*faints at Roses comment*
Quite right too, Kenty. I heard an OBE means you don’t have to poo anymore. :D
