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I don’t think it is a cynical ploy. Surely past events show that there really are people out there who want to murder us en masse. As for their tactics, they’re quite willing to experiment and vary. I seem to remember something happening on the underground one summer.

A note on Iraq: The wider legality of the Iraq war is open to debate. However, it should be noted that the government has won an election since. It may be argued, wrongly in my opinion as I will explain below, that the government’s foreign policy opened up this particular can of worms but the British people had an opportunity to topple them for it at that election. They failed to do so and thus legitimised it. It is the electorate that is responsible now, not just the government.

I don’t think it matters a fig what nationality the terrorists are. It certainly doesn’t to them. Radical Islam is a thoroughly multinational effort. Judging by the results of the recent Channel 4 poll of Muslim opinion, I would put the proportion of British Muslims prepared to either directly or indirectly support violent action against the UK and its citizens at somewhere below ten per cent. A worrying proportion but completely divorced from illegal immigration. These chaps are substantially home grown.

Now, it may be that groups like Al Qaeda use issues like Palestine and Iraq as anti-western recruiting devices but those issues certainly do not define them. Indeed, many Palestinians scorn and mock Al Qaeda for the group’s lack of participation in the struggle against Israeli oppression.

Radical Islam has a rolling program. We cannot placate that movement through negotiation and it is, I think, unwise to believe that we have put ourselves into their firing line through our own actions for a simple reason. This is that radical Islam’s ultimate aim is a worldwide caliphate underpinned by Salafism and an associated interpretation of Sharia law. Unless we would be happy to accept that fate for the UK and the rest of the world, we would always be at odds with the movement.

Incidentally, we cannot hang native born jihadists for treason since the UK does not retain the death penalty for that, or any other, crime.

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:lol: I need a poo but I’ll meet you there afterwards, you lucky people. Which room?

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I’m sorry not to be nice, Emma, but to me your story seems to trivialise the real ethnic cleansing that goes on in this world. I would urge you to study those photos again, think about your tale of insinuations and implications, compare the two and ask yourself if you’re not being a little disingenuous.

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:lol: I need more information to make a guess. How many hills is it leaving on your lawn? Also, has it displayed any behaviour that might give it away? For example, has it ever called you a wanker from across the garden or, conversely, popped in with some misdirected mail?

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You were forced out of your home in Britain because of your race? Someone said, You can’t live here because you’re white. If you don’t leave we’ll kill you? Or did the neighbourhood just start getting a bit dark? Perhaps you were ethnically cleansed from a KFC in Brixton once after loudly proclaiming that, since you were the only white person in the shop, you should be served first and everyone else should have to wait whilst singing Swing Low, Sweet Chariot or Camp Town Ladies?

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This is ethnic cleansing, Emma. When did it happen to you?

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I agree, my best bum-chum Owen. I’ve been watching it and it seems clear to me that Muslim culture, if there is such a thing at all, is fractious and fragmented – making it no different in that respect to any other religious meta-group. We can’t deal with them because they can’t articulate a consistent idea of what it is they want. There has to be a fundamental, secular framework which draws the line for all people of every religion and none and lays down where their rights begin and, just as importantly, end.

I also saw What Muslims Want earlier on this evening. I found the program and its poll results by turns comforting and unsettling.

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Yeah, balls. Loads of people do stuff that effects their health in the long run. Those with a taste for tobacco or drink, like me, pay extra money to the state in duty. Chubsters, like Cath there, pay extra amounts of VAT through all the choccy they consume.

I reckon health care professionals just need to give us the advice and, as Lambrini says, they do this quite effectively, and then just shut the devil up and patch us up when we get broken.

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Jarvis, my handyman at my Somerset estate, says you need to score it with a Stanley knife before you soak it, Mary. That should help the water penetrate and the paper should lift away much more easily.

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And you’re just a boil on the arse of humanity scummer. I’ve never seen such long winded replies from you as I have from your last two posts on this thread. You are trying to wriggle out of your uninformed and crass opening rhetoric. Sorry scum, won’t work. You support terrorists/illegal immigrants/commercial plane hijackers, getting permission to live in this country and take jobs, when the very regime they were fleeing is no longer the ruling body of that country. Whether the country is safe or not has absolutely no bearing on the case. They also pleaded guilty to hijacking. No-one is ignoring the courts you fool, we are lambasting them for yet another failure. We are criticising a spineless Govt. that does nothing to make us feel they are behind British people. If these hijackers/terrorists have ‘served their time’, then like all foriegners imprisoned in this country, they should be deported on the first plane home, making sure they have no means of repeating their crime on the journey.

I’m not really sure what kind of oaf you are scum, I’m not sure if you have beliefs or values, I’m becoming more convinced that your beliefs are whatever the opposite of mine may be to try and get a rise in your self styled and progessively weird world of JC. When you can be a little better than a failed van driver, perhaps I’ll take you seriously. Until then…

:lol: Then allow me to be more brief. You’re advancing exactly the same position as the ‘spineless’ government, you ridiculous, sheep-shaped guff stain. In fact, that must make you a spineless, ridiculous, sheep-shaped guff stain.

And I certainly would be worried if I found myself regularly nodding in agreement to your ill thought-out bile. It would mean I too have been swallowing all the cock dribble printed in the gutter press and slavering over too many nut-job conspiracy sites with my critical faculties well and truly erased.

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