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DIRTY DAY

I don’t know you
You don’t know the half of it
I had a starring role
I was the bad guy who walked out
They say be careful where you aim
Because where you aim you just might hit
You can hold onto something so tight
You’ve already lost it
Dragging me down
That’s not the way it used to be
You can’t even remember what I’m trying to forget

It was a dirty day
Yeah a dirty day
You want explanations for things I don’t understand
If you need someone to blame
Hey throw a rock in the air
You’re bound to hit someone guilty

From father to son
In one life has begun
A work that’s never done
Father to son

Love it won’t last kissin’ time

Get it right
There’s no blood thicker than ink
Hear what I say
Nothing’s as simple as you think
Wake up
Some things you can’t get around
I’m in you
More so when they put me in the ground

Days days run away like horses over the hill
Those days days days run away like horses over the hill
Those days days days run away like horses over the hill
Those days days days run away like horses over the hill

Love it won’t last kissin’ time
Love it won’t last kissin’ time
Love it won’t last kissin’ time
Love it won’t last kissin’ time

U2

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Happy Birthday Miss xx :)

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Happy Birthday Born xx :)

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@slayer wrote:

I would suggest the example of NI is somewhat different to the rest of the nations which make up the United Kingdom- NI is a contested piece of land between two nations (UK and Eire) as opposed to England,Wales and Scotland who have sections of their populace who seek indepence from the UK- NI does not, and never has, sought indepence from the UK (indeed it could be argued is majoratively the most loyal part of the UK).

The decision therefore for NI is vastly different from that of those sections of Scotland and Wales which seek complete devolution from the UK- it may be in part geographical in nature and that may be by design (albeit several hundred years ago) rather than default.

Hence the principle of consent is different- NI has two options- join Eire or remain part of the UK. To offer the same principle of consent Scotland would have either join Norway or remain part of the UK.

IMO

Firstly, it goes without saying that any regional section / part / cultural mass / nation (or whatever you wish to call it) that is a component part of a greater, larger body or nation (in this case Britain) is certainly bound to differ in many ways from it’s counterparts. This should be quite obvious and require no further re-iteration.

But my point (and I feel tis here that I’m afraid you and I must differ) is that the very PRINCIPLE of consent is pretty self explanatory with regard to ANY component part of the greater body that wishes to change it’s status within that body.. and that every democratic opportunity regarding self determination be afforded to that component part, be it ultimately in the name of inclusion or exclusion.
Granted, beyond the PRINCIPLE of consent, the APPLICATION of such aspirations would depend greatly on the individual characteristics of the territorial subject.
So, in saying that, I must disagree with you when you state “Hence the principle of consent is different” because it most certainly isn’t. The principle of consent of a nation’s or territory’s population is a democratic must, be it through direct referenda or representative legislation or beyond. It is these last aspects that require specific concerns regarding APPLICATION, yet the PRINCIPLE remains an absolute. The political will of the people is paramount.

With regard to the erroneous “NI is a contested piece of land between two nations (UK and Eire)” (ummm.. nope, that’s wrong. The Republic Of Ireland has no territorial claim to the Six Counties of Northern Ireland.) and the equally misleading, ill-informed “NI has two options- join Eire or remain part of the UK. To offer the same principle of consent Scotland would have either join Norway or remain part of the UK.” (A complete lack of a third Sovereign Independence “option” to be graciously bestowed on these two “parts” in the whole “To offer” gig you allude to there :lol: ), I’m afraid both arguments are utterly redundant.

You see, such was the problem that I indentified with my initial post. A Principle of Consent is not a thing To Offer. It is not a privilege. It is not some creaky, outworn notion of obligation handed down from some perceived higher collective. Nor is it to be “offered” to areas of singular historical and socio-political peculiarity such as Northern Ireland alone.
No, it is the indelible Right of every nation.. or indeed any part of a nation that aspires to self determination born from substantial representative political will and realised through the subsequent democratic processes of any existing national body.

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@bassingbourne55 wrote:

British, always British. The island we live on is called Great Britain and it is one nation.
Great Britain should never be split up. The UK (which includes northern Ireland as well as Great Britain) is a different matter – N.Ireland should remain in the UK while the majority of its population wish to stay. If the majority wish to join with Eire, that wish should be granted.

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Sorry… seems I’m a tad confused here :roll:
Correct me if I’m wrong (and please note that I may well be), but is it your stance that any current or prospective devolved rights, or even Sovereign Independence issues regarding Scotland, England and Wales differ from Northern Ireland due to the first three being part of the Island of Great Britain?
If so, I find that most peculiar I must say :roll:

Surely the crucial principle of consent applied to Northern Ireland must apply to the other three “parts” of the United Kingdom?
Or do you view Northern Ireland as a somewhat lesser component of the mix?
You state that it is the Island of Great Britain that implies Britishness.. and the UK “is a different matter”, which perhaps, is true from a certain geographical and semantic position – ie The Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland gig..

BUT.. in the context of what you (quite rightly) state regarding the consent issue of Northern Ireland, your “Great Britain should never be split up.” pronouncement troubles me. For it would seem you draw the line at consent regarding separation / Independence when it comes to Scotland, Wales or (the most unlikely event of) England?

Am I wrong to theorise such a thing, or was the suspected disallowance merely a silly omission on your part?

Omfg! doesnt she ramble on?? oh and me and welshy want to thank you for the red lipstick…..

Oh shush you!!
Oh and I want it back btw :lol:

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@pete wrote:

What does it matter ffs, bloody stupid pettiness over long ago slights that are kept simmering over hundreds of yrs in some cases

I’m afraid I don’t understand that statement at all :roll: .. Well, not in the context of this particular discussion anyway.

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@bassingbourne55 wrote:

British, always British. The island we live on is called Great Britain and it is one nation.
Great Britain should never be split up. The UK (which includes northern Ireland as well as Great Britain) is a different matter – N.Ireland should remain in the UK while the majority of its population wish to stay. If the majority wish to join with Eire, that wish should be granted.

:-k
Sorry… seems I’m a tad confused here :roll:
Correct me if I’m wrong (and please note that I may well be), but is it your stance that any current or prospective devolved rights, or even Sovereign Independence issues regarding Scotland, England and Wales differ from Northern Ireland due to the first three being part of the Island of Great Britain?
If so, I find that most peculiar I must say :roll:

Surely the crucial principle of consent applied to Northern Ireland must apply to the other three “parts” of the United Kingdom?
Or do you view Northern Ireland as a somewhat lesser component of the mix?
You state that it is the Island of Great Britain that implies Britishness.. and the UK “is a different matter”, which perhaps, is true from a certain geographical and semantic position – ie The Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland gig..

BUT.. in the context of what you (quite rightly) state regarding the consent issue of Northern Ireland, your “Great Britain should never be split up.” pronouncement troubles me. For it would seem you draw the line at consent regarding separation / Independence when it comes to Scotland, Wales or (the most unlikely event of) England?

Am I wrong to theorise such a thing, or was the suspected disallowance merely a silly omission on your part?

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A more recent one of me..
Taken just last night actually… :roll:

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@cage wrote:

there’s me making my tea, see some men CAN cook !!!!

Count me in if it’s sausages :P

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@forumhostpb wrote:

Banana and toffee sauce fillings are yummy, but I really missed my favourite – brown sugar + lemon juice + a liberal splash of Grand Marnier.. mmmmmmmmmm.

Dude 8)

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