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@sharongooner wrote:

I notice more and more of your posts always seem to boil down to your view that men are treated more unfairly by courts than women.

You may be surprised to hear that more and more the courts are now dealing with joint residence cases because more and more women are working mums, so the court takes all this into consideration.

You simply cannot keep saying women are always getting the fairer deal, the court will make the decision on WHAT IS IN THE CHILD’S BEST INTERESTS. If both parents deem themselves to be the primary carer there will be lengthy hearings and reports and the court will decide after hearing all the evidence.

There are always two sides to every story, lets not forget that.

And it may be worth mentioning that it is not always the men who get the bum deal.

Having met some of the members of Father’s for Justice I can see why some of their ex’s are in hiding ALONG with their children!

What is in a childs best interest isnt exactly arrived at fairly in a slanted system tho is it?

For one we are about the ONLY civilised country that doesnt recognise PAS (parental alienation syndrome) even tho its a very easy one to spot

So often even kids that say they DONT want to see the non custodial parent DO want to, but because of the selfish shows of emotion and vehement outbursts from the resident one will say they dont to end the upset that they themselves feel they are the cause of

As a society we collectively (and I include myself in that to an extent) trivialise men and their role with kids, they have been systematically demonised via the media to the point where it almost seems “odd” for a man to have custody of his own kids

Infact that oh so fair court system you mention is only recently starting TO be more “fair” and a large part of that is because of fathers for justice to the point that even when a man is the main carer and the woman is the breadiwinner he is still very likely to only end up with access rights to see them rather than custody

There is an undeniable social undertone that kids are “better off” with mothers, one that is reinforced albeit innacurately by droves of single parent women who have never had a partner they knew long enough to get the second name of and until both genders are seen without that gender bias nothing will be anything even approaching equal SG

But its just so prominent and common place a tainting that it is almost invisible until pointed out and doesnt just limit itself to issues appertaining to kids

Try looking at the writings of Anna Carline, a law professor at a nothern university and her deconstructions of gender bias within the law and the social psychosis behind them and you will see just how deep the rabbit warren goes

We ARE stuck with our preconceptions of both genders, and even when intrinsic evidence disproves the validity of those stereotypes they are still almost impossible to ammend or lose

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@sweetass wrote:

@ubermik wrote:

Is that another name for caressing the cucumber or jerking the gherkin then?

Or is tossing your salad till your mayo splatters her face a way to “bowl” a maiden over?

Salads off the menu in my house for tea then :-… :-…

Thats cool then coz for some strange and inexplicable reason I now suddenly and for no reason I can think of am quite in the mood for a kebab and a nice pair of buttered buns :shock:

Nice pic btw :lol: :lol: :wink:

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@sweetass wrote:

@ubermik wrote:

@sweetass wrote:

Back to the original post … :lol: I like chivalry ..It shows a basic respect for others .. from having a door opened for you . to simple good manners.. it’s something sadly lacking in society today. I’ve always demanded that my children show respect and manners for everyone.. if people choose to disresepct them in return ..then they have me to deal with :shock: :lol: I’ve actually found that the most ignorant people are usually pensioners or muslims.. racist no doubt some will say .. but its a simple observation.. i work in a very busy shop and have suffered ignorance on a daily basis.. my answer is to smile sweetly and then usually drop their change/purchases accidently

Nothing sweeter than watching them scrabble for their stuff as I apologise insincerely :wink: :lol:

Unless you are ONLY teaching the boys to be respectful to women and not the same to any girls you have its NOT chivalry

Chivalry is a one way sexist notion that “men” do unto “women” and not the other way round hence the thread and my thoughts that its outdated and should be retired along with other silly notions like the sanctity of marriage (OOOH, I said titty lol), integrity and social and personal responsibility

In a world where the sexes are allegedly equal chivalry is a nonsensical concept

In an ideal world .. I love a chivalrous man … who of the female persuasion doesnt like the thought of being treated with respect and decency …?? Maybe if those damn greedy working parents gave up their jobs, they’d have time to teach their sons how exactly you’re meant to treat a woman and we wouldn’t have half the social problems we do have Hey Drivel :?: :roll:

Actually, you will find that most of those parents are single parents and nearly all of them ARE women

Infact even iin a proper family enviroment most of the parenting is STILL done by women as the men have always majoratively worked

But a few points there

1) Even when the men worked and women didnt kids didnt turn out as they do now and we didnt have the same level of social problems

2) as women do and always have done most of the parenting they ARE therefore mostly to blame, and when its a single parent they are WHOLLY to blame for how thieir kids turn out

3) as men have always worked just exactly which gender of greedy RECENTLY working parents did you mean? As it seems gender is quite conveniently left out of comments like that lol, “quel surpris”

4) If, as it would seem women struggle to teach boys HOW to be male, then maybe the post modern feminist ideas of how healthy a modern single mother family is should be rethought seeing as many other sources seem to indicate that single parented kids are far more likely to be poor performers at school and in work, are far more likely to be in trouble with the police and are far more like to abuse drugs and alcohol. Maybe an actual father being around contributed more than just a paypacket after all

5) and as for “who of the female persuasion doesnt like the thought of being treated with respect and decency”, try asking men the same question, and you will get the exact same amount of the exact same replies, so a better question is why do women seem to labour under the delusion that they for some obscure reason should be treated any better than they in turn treat men?

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@waspish wrote:

i actually agree with a lot of that but how many men do you know who have been asked in an interview if they ever plan to get married and have children ?
the question should be asked to both male and female, and the men should take on 50 50 care of the children and if they cant afford that, the lesser wage earne needs a pay rise… simple womens logic… :lol:

Well the interesting thing you will find there waspish is that the people that will be screaming objections to that the loudest will be the women, and feminist organisations will be lobbying so hard their strap ons will fall off

Women are so used to having near total domination via the courts where child access and custody is concerned the last thing they would majoratively want is equality, because that removes leverage, power, financial support and moves them one step closer to the best parent having the children rather than just the female one which would see many women having to fight for access rights rather than just sitting back being obstructive with regards their ex’s access to their kids

The custody and care issue is nowhere near as black and white as its painted, but the last thing women want people to realise is that not only are men JUST as capable of raising kids but that in many relationships they will be the best person to do it which is something that womankind wont want to have a fair and objective viewing off in the law courts

So yeah, in principle its a nice idea but far more women would have to then get off their butts and think about education and building actual careers than do currently and I think you will find that if it were an imminent possible reality rather than an unlikelyhood far far more women would oppose 50/50 care than would want it and until women ARE prepared to loosen their grip on children then they wont in any true sense of the word be “equals” in the workplace

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Well for now at least, but Jeremy Kyle says that he will need you back soon :lol:

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Is that another name for caressing the cucumber or jerking the gherkin then?

Or is tossing your salad till your mayo splatters her face a way to “bowl” a maiden over?

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@sweetass wrote:

Back to the original post … :lol: I like chivalry ..It shows a basic respect for others .. from having a door opened for you . to simple good manners.. it’s something sadly lacking in society today. I’ve always demanded that my children show respect and manners for everyone.. if people choose to disresepct them in return ..then they have me to deal with :shock: :lol: I’ve actually found that the most ignorant people are usually pensioners or muslims.. racist no doubt some will say .. but its a simple observation.. i work in a very busy shop and have suffered ignorance on a daily basis.. my answer is to smile sweetly and then usually drop their change/purchases accidently

Nothing sweeter than watching them scrabble for their stuff as I apologise insincerely :wink: :lol:

Unless you are ONLY teaching the boys to be respectful to women and not the same to any girls you have its NOT chivalry

Chivalry is a one way sexist notion that “men” do unto “women” and not the other way round hence the thread and my thoughts that its outdated and should be retired along with other silly notions like the sanctity of marriage (OOOH, I said titty lol), integrity and social and personal responsibility

In a world where the sexes are allegedly equal chivalry is a nonsensical concept

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Eat more pies then and get a less followable ass :P

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They dont need to TM, YOURE our “token” every day person

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@lil fek wrote:

If you don’t practice a religion, but identify yourself as a member of that religion does it mean you have been influenced by your family or maybe have a need to believe in something other than yourself…what does it mean and is there a name for this?

Doesnt that sum up pretty much the majority of catholics and christians tho?

It seems at times that people only claim to be part of a religion so they can sneer vehemently with a sense of the moral highground when someone ELSE screws up, but when they or one of their own makes the exact same screw up theyre surprisingly quiet lol

As much as I think Islam is like a cancer within civilised society I do have to admire the dilligence with which they practise their faith. same too for sikh’s. Buddhists and even Hovis whitebreadnesses all of whom dont only hide behind their religion or use it as a tool for chastisement but also practise it fully and do their best to actually live by the same standards they judge others by

I have a lot of respect for consistency and integrity even where its a consistent integral doctrine I dislike, whereas hypocrisy and double standards I dislike whatever denomination it hides under

A point that isnt made as often as it should be, is that agnosticism and atheism ARE religious beliefs and deserve to be respected as much as any other within society rather than only tongueing the rectums of the religious fanatical minorities

Personally tho I grew out of having imaginary friends when I was a child, so I dont have any need to disguise that fascination by affiliating myself with an organised delusion for self justification

I also reckon that if there IS a god of some description, one that does expect the basic common decencies outlined in pretty much every major religion and even in most cults I dont reckon many if any members of the main religions such as judaism, catholocism, islam or christianity would be doing anything less than burning in hell for the b’stardised interpretations of their faith they follow as they have all been twisted by mortal men to control, direct and manipulate their followers into doing the bidding of the driving forces in those faiths for eons even when those actions clearly contradict the gist of the religion itself making its membership null and void in relationship to any actual good there might be

So I’m pretty much on the fence with this topic really lol :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)

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