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Slutty parents are a separate issue to most other kinds of parents
Firstly they will only be parents in many cases BECAUSE they are slutty rather than their brood being planned
But, they are, or at least SHOULD be a national institution and should be protected like any other
Someone wanting to pursue a slutty lifestyle should have access to steralisation at an early age to avoid them having to have masses of time off from their job, they should also have a VIP pass at the clap clinic to minimise their “standing up” time
People would complain like hell if a ride at alton towers had the added risk of pregnancies and slutty women should have the same consideration as any other ride, perhaps even to the point of the installation of headboard cameras for the “hands up” style “I was here” type photos you can already get on other forms of ride (obviously only for the hot sluts and not the fat or munterish trogladitic ones you understand)
Awww bless, you could have simply admitted your mistake instead of even more childish sidestepping hehe
That sort of response might go down well with eight year olds when discussing the existence of santa or the tooth fairy,but it makes you look like an idiot using it on a sight for “alleged” grown ups on a discussion board petal
The old “damn, there isnt really a mature and valid response to that so lets be all condescending and hope they dont suss out why” approach is as transparent as glass
LOL, if you stopped them having abortions they would have 23 kids duh, 23 massive burdens on the health service as opposed to 3 massive drains and 20 quite minor blips
And 23 kids would
And back to the semantics, the burden on the NHS makes their limited resources become empty, hence the reason many NHS trusts are bankrupt or have to restrict services far before the end of a financial year
A burden drains resources, they are one and the same and without a burden there would be no drain and they would have an excess of funds
Which SHOULDNT have really needed to have been linked together really seeing as its so blatantly obvious even a liberal democrate could make the connection
On the topic of multiple abortions per person btw, black women top the charts on that one with asian women being the lowest amount
But they are only ever recorded as having had a “previous” abortion which isnt cross referenced to their age, reasons, amount of prior abortions or timescales between them
That is then used to “conclude” things that cant possibly be concluded by anyone sane or without their own agenda and DOESNT show women are using abortion en massé as a form of birth control nor that they arent as the figures and details asked for or shown are way to vague for any worthwhile conclusion to be drawn, but that minor fact doesnt stop the people willing to twist any fact in a way they think makes their point seem more believable. It ONLY shows how many people have had a previous abortion which could have been only the one, could have been 30 years earlier, could have been for medical reasons or because it was the product of a rape or child abuse incident and quite equally could have been due to failed birthcontrol they WERE using
So the percentage using it in lieu of birth control CANT be known even tho some would claim it is known
Some facts on the matter to offset the media driven hysteria lol
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http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsStatistics/DH_075697Key facts
In 2006, for women resident in England and Wales:the total number of abortions was 193,700, compared with 186,400 in 2005, a rise of 3.9%
the age-standardised abortion rate was 18.3 per 1,000 resident women aged 15-44, compared with 17.8 in 2005
the abortion rate was highest at 35 per 1,000, for women age 19.
the under-16 abortion rate was 3.9 and the under-18 rate was 18.2 per 1,000 women, both higher than in 2005
87% of abortions were funded by the NHS; of these, just over half (55%) took place in the independent sector under NHS contract
89% of abortions were carried out at under 13 weeks gestation; 68% were at under 10 weeks
medical abortions accounted for 30% of the total compared with 24% in 2005
2,000 abortions (1%) were under ground E, risk that the child would be born handicapped
Non-residents:in 2006 there were 7,400 abortions for non-residents carried out in hospitals and clinics in England and Wales (7,900 in 2005)
http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
Wordlwide
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Number of abortions per year: Approximately 46 Million
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 126,000Where abortions occur:
78% of all abortions are obtained in developing countries and 22% occur in developed countries.Legality of abortion:
About 26 million women obtain legal abortions each year, while an additional 20 million abortions are obtained in countries where it is restricted or prohibited by law.Abortion averages:
Worldwide, the lifetime average is about 1 abortion per woman.© Copyright 1999-2000, The Alan Guttmacher Institute. (http://www.agi-usa.org)
UNITED STATES
Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996)
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700Who’s having abortions (age)?
52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%.Who’s having abortions (race)?
While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely.Who’s having abortions (marital status)?
64.4% of all abortions are performed on never-married women; Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%.Who’s having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as “Born-again/Evangelical”.Who’s having abortions (income)?
Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%.Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).At what gestational ages are abortions performed:
52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy.Likelihood of abortion:
An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion.Abortion coverage:
48% of all abortion facilities provide services after the 12th week of pregnancy. 9 in 10 managed care plans routinely cover abortion or provide limited coverage. About 14% of all abortions in the United States are paid for with public funds, virtually all of which are state funds. 16 states (CA, CT, HI, ED, IL, MA , MD, MD, MN, MT, NJ, NM, NY, OR, VT, WA and WV) pay for abortions for some poor women.Picking up on your new sidestep/smokescreen for a moment tho
“My concern was people using unrestricted abortions as a method of birth control, not one abortion but many per person and many people using it, therefore, causing the health system additional services that it does not need”
It doesnt matter WHO you are talking about
Even looking at ONE abortion not happening the “additional services” far outweighs any used to do the abortion, when ten dont happen then ten times more “additional amounts of services” are needlessly wasted
As for anything you MIGHT have meant or might now claim was what you actually meant its eroneous really, not being a mind reader the ONLY thing I can respond to is what you DID write innit? And you wrote “burden”, a word I do already know the meaning of believe it or not. So unless you can wheel out a different word you ACTUALLY meant to use my response still stands
As for “many” using abortion many times, thats not the case in any of the government statistics I’ve seen at any point ever, its a VERY tiny percentage that have more than two pregnancies aborted out of hundreds of thousands of people having them, hardly “many” in a majorative sense
And as the government is massively cutting the budget for family planning clinics the country over the wider use of abortions is pretty much guaranteed until women start taking more responsibility for what does or doesnt get into their slime chutes
Perhaps as a side issue the steralisation of all mental cases who live in the community should also be addressed, as the human rights act allows people without the mental acuity of a teenager to be “entitled” to have sex as an adult which is an interesting side issue to the topic of abortion, as in a lot of cases they are deemed “capable of having consented sex” but arent considered capable of raising a child without a very expensive care package but are left to be responsible for their own birth control
As I have said many times, to massively cut the amount of abortions you need compulsory steralisation of all women so that all children then conceived are by choice rather than by accident
Thats semantics and you know it, a burden, drain, encumberment all mean the same thing which is EXTRA work, cost and time taken up
So my point still stands UNLESS you can show how all the other things I mentioned if an unwanted child ISNT aborted are LESS of a drain, burden or encumberment on the health service compared to each abortion in terms of time, money, staff etc
The man hours wasted on each NON aborted foetus just for the birth of it far outstrips the time needed (burden, drain, encumberment) to consult and perform an abortion most of the time never mind the other stuff, so as stated its a flimsy wishy washy point to make as the abortion is far far LESS of “burden” to the NHS than the product of a non abortion
And yet according to government literature vegetables are SUPPOSED to be GOOD for your health
Go figure :?
See, in principle I agree “something” should be in place, but as with marriage or whatever the gay variant is called there should be some registration of it otherwise why on earth should it be recognised anyway?
But the law as it is was created in a time when people married quite young usually moving out from their parents homes for the first time and built everything they had TOGETHER
Nowadays most couples formed and a large percentage of marriages are where 1 or 2 relationship failures, quitters or cheaters as well as widows and people who failed for other reasons are getting together
As such each enters with a proven track record of employment and earning potention, some enter with financial drains (kids and maintenance payments) and some enter with assets whilst others enter with zero income, zero work potential and zero assets
So even for marriage its time that this was factored in, so that what each person enters into their soon to fail dalliance with is noted so that each gets that back when it ends, anything left over is ALL that should then be considered dividing up along with which any financial drains should also be considered such as kids or payments to ex’s etc as well as the financial input into the relationship
That way a simple balancing of input to what was taken out by each person can be sorted out to figure out if they are owed or owe the other person
Unfortunately that method wouldnt discriminate against anyone on the grounds of gender so the feminists wouldnt like it and therefore niether would the feminist ass kissing poiliticians
Oh well :lol:
Fairysnuff then
So lets place that into a real life situation for a second to add some rarely examined perspective and balance
Lets suppose youre down the pub with a mate talking about sky tv, when drunk you say you wouldnt mind watching an upcoming film, the next day someone turns up to install sky with the film channels all turned on
You point out you havent ever agreed to have sky nstalled and are told that they know that, your friend decided you should have it, you then tell them you dont want sky installed and they say thats tough, you will have to discuss it with your friend to see if you can get them to agree to have it removed
You do that and they say “nah”, I’ve unilaterally decided you should have sky, you agreed to me making that decision when you mentioned it in the pub, if you didnt want to have sky you shouldnt have said you wanted to watch that film
after which you get a bill every month for the service with no say in whether you wanted it and no easy way to get out of paying for something that SOMEONE ELSE had total control of the decision making process for
I do actually agree that a woman SHOULD have 100% of the control over what happens to her body, after all she IS 100% responsible for getting pregnant after all as she 100% decides that SHE (knowing she has a womb) is going to have sex with someone
Because short of rape IF she decided not to then no matter what decision the bloke made she WOULDNT have got pregnant would she? So a woman already has 100% of the control over what happens to her slime chute and who uses it for recreational activities so it would follow she then has 100% of the say of what comes afterwards as she is the ONLY one responsible for getting herself into that position to begin with
BUT, if the blokes view is that he ONLY agreed to have sex (which he did), and as he doesnt have any say in whether a foetus is aborted (which is in my opinion right) that should then be where his responsibility AND involvement with that foetus ends
If women want to have 100% of the decision about whether a child should be born they should ALSO be prepared to take the same percentage of responsibility for the product of those decisions
I wonder how many would miraculously see an abortion as a much more attractive option IF that was the case?
After all, why on earth should someone be accountable in anyway for the outcome of something that they had no part in the decision making for? But stupid that really
Otherwise, if youre going to claim that a man has no say AND should be responsible for the child produced simply because he agreed to having sex then we shouldnt have abortion at all in instances like that
Because the woman ALSO agreed ONLY to having sex with the man too, as such she should also then be tied by the same idiotic follow on penalty and also have no say in what does or doesnt happen to the foetus
Thats equality, which wimminsey folks allegedly like :lol: :lol: :lol:
In short two people can consent to have sex, two people are responsible for an egg being fertilised, but ONLY one of them has any say in whether a baby is born so ONLY one is responsible for that baby, not two
