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See puds,

In your haste to exit the thread with no clear response to the question about gun volume linked to gun violence, your exit strategy was to criticise something you thought I said.

Well, here goes puds……I didn’t say it.   It was dear ol drac that said it – Quote ‘One of the reasons I moved out of Manchester was because there w…[Read more]

Yep. Go along with that.Perhaps the shoulder Lins.

I have just had done Welcome to Bridgwater Somerset,Hope You Have A great Time on me todger all in capital letters 😂😂😂

Welcome back puds.

Now, who wrote what mate?

“One of the reasons I moved out of Manchester was because there were armed police patrolling everywhere.”

That seriously is the stupidest thing you ever wrote.  Debating retards is a waste of my time.  It’s like trying to play chess with a houseplant.  There is no point for me to participate in this thread any longer.

FYI  drac, one of the most obscene films I have ever seen.

Hey Linda

You should have got a tattoo on another part of the body….once you are in the zone you need to go for it

I had my first tattoo 12 yrs ago now and have wanted a second every since…just keep changing my mind where I want it…what i want….

Maybe for my 60th (dont know how i go so frigging old)

You’re not really a numbers girl are you drac? You don’t go in for statistics in any way shape or form do you – preferring to concentrate on the dramatic headline or shock-inducing picture to make your point…..just to pick an argument with………….well……….me.

I’ve never said that the UK is perfect when it comes to guns and I’ve…[Read more]

Nothing in the article you linked contradicts anything I said 

Yes, there are background checks, but you also need those in the US to buy a gun.

Its not very much harder to get one, the difference is cultural not legal.

The main argument being made in this thread is that crime rates in the UK are lower because of ‘gun control’.…[Read more]

Well hello drac, I was wondering when you were gonna stick your cute little nose into this debate and try to debunk everything I’ve said. Before you make anymore boo boos, I suggest you read

Plymouth shooting: Who can own a firearm or shotgun in the UK? – BBC News

..and I refer you back to the big picture that the UK has a tiny fraction of…[Read more]

And yes, I know class 2 licences only cover shotguns, but it takes about 5 seconds to modify a breach loading shotgun into a rifle.

Doing that is probably illegal, but so is shooting people.
So I dont think that’s the problem.

Therefore, to claim that gun violence in the UK is lower because of ‘gun control’ is nonsense.

Anyone who wants a gun can fairly easily obtain one, not sure where the ‘control’ is.

Even ignoring the bill of rights, class 2 firearm licences are shall issue, which means they cannot legally be refused and must be given to anyone who asks for one.

Gun ownership is legal in the UK.

Not only is it legal, it is a right.

You can get AR-15’s in the UK.

There only tiny detail you missed out 

Illegal ownership in the UK 

Even with control laws, people are still dying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-61324653

…and i have thought about it. And the gun lovers are right!!

You have to be a fucking nutter to own a fucking gun!

It’s all so clear now…….

Of course, gun lovers might want to argue that they have more nutters per 100,000 of the population than anyone else in the world, hence the much greater gun violence.

Hmmmm, more nutters in the US than anywhere else…..

Let me think about that for a moment…….

Offences fishpaste?  You mean illegally owning a gun?

You poor apprentice. Try not to operate in here above your pay-grade.

Let’s talk about deaths pasty-boy.

Now gun ownership

Now deaths again

Learn to use proper grown up data fish-face, not kiddies stuff

Hi my name is Dandy and I’m cool 

Gun control really works 

In the UK we have less than 7,000 gun offences yearly

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7654/

Hello, my name is puds,…………..and…… I’m a gun-owner.

(All)  Welcome puds!

The hard core gun owner will obfuscate, mis-direct, confuse, avoid the question, insult, cajole, defend with ‘what about what about’…..anything to protect their fucking second amendment and their belief they are protecting themselves.

More guns means more gun violence. It’s fucking simple but too fucking simple for gun-lovers

The hard-core…[Read more]

Are you saying that a sane person could murder a classroom of very small children, Andy?  Thank god you can’t get your hands on a gun as you are crazier than a shithouse rat.  Or bone stupid.  Maybe both.