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  • #1133956

    Dear drac,

    I was so disturbed by your surprise reply to my 10 questions to linda, i was motivated to start this thread and understand more deeply about some of the things you wrote; particularly regarding your politics and your comment about ‘legacy media’.

    So…politics first. If you’re not a particular fan of democracy (you did write that didn’t you?) then I’m intrigued to know what indeed are your politics?  Are you a traditional communist or fascist, are you maybe a vampirist or perhaps a conchist (Lord of the Flies). Would you prefer a bit more proportional representation in our lives? ( Yes to that..). What are your politics, if i can be so bold to ask? Please elaborate all you want.

    I actually had to look up the term legacy media so I think i’m up to speed with that. So…again..I’m intrigued as to what you regard as honest, professional, tested, verified information sources about what’s happening in the world around you. What or who do you believe and what is the internalisation that you follow to determine whether is it true or not, if, of course, you think truth is important.

    I think these two subjects would make for a fascinating debate.

    #1133960

    So…politics first. If you’re not a particular fan of democracy (you did write that didn’t you?) then I’m intrigued to know what indeed are your politics? Are you a traditional communist or fascist, are you maybe a vampirist or perhaps a conchist (Lord of the Flies). Would you prefer a bit more proportional representation in our lives? ( Yes to that..). What are your politics, if i can be so bold to ask? Please elaborate all you want.

    This is two different questions, the manner in which a government operates and the policies that it implements are not related.

    There are two problems that I have with democracy. The first is that most people do not posses sufficent understanding of politics to make an informed decision about what they are actually voting for. This is especially apparent in the system we use here in the UK, If you removed the party name and logos from ballot papers, most people would not recognise any of the candidates names or know what their views were. This means that the francise should be limited only to people who can prove that they understand the structure and function of the political system they are participating in, However, I do not trust the government to have the power to restrict francise. As there is no guarentee they will not alter these restrictions in future if it would benifit them.

    The second issue is that democary is inherantly biased towards the left. This is because a leftist party can effectively bribe any section of the electorate that it chooses by announcing public spending on things that would benifit that group. I do not have a solution to this.

    In regards to what my actual political views are, I would describe myself as a classical liberal / civic nationalist. The one and only purpose of the government is to protect the rights of it’s citizens. These rights are not granted by the government, and the government cannot ever take an action that would result in any right being infringed.Anything that does not contribute to the protection of rights should not be within the domain of the government, and they should have minimal involvement in it.

     

    #1133961

    I actually had to look up the term legacy media so I think i’m up to speed with that. So…again..I’m intrigued as to what you regard as honest, professional, tested, verified information sources about what’s happening in the world around you. What or who do you believe and what is the internalisation that you follow to determine whether is it true or not, if, of course, you think truth is important.

    There is no such source.

    The only way that you can determine what is true is to bypass these propagandists and examine the primary sources (whitness statements, academic papers, ect) yourself. These have problems in themselves, but is the best we are able to do.

    #1133962

    Hmmm….there’s food for thought. Your suggestion that people don’t know who or what they’re voting for is a rather sweeping generalism and I would have thought, a tad insulting to the person in the street. The closest to home examples I know of who proclaim themselves as Civic Nationalists are the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Mebyon Kernow ( good ol’ Cornwall!). Of course, they have to endure some sort of democratic process to elect their leaders to implement policy etc etc. I hope you find that a necessary evil unless you think that should happen through some sort of organic, thought sharing system that doesn’t involve leadership at all?

    Nah…i put my hands up. You’re gonna have to help me out on that one?

     

    And as to your trusted news and information sources? Would you like to take a punt at those please?

     

    #1133963

    Oh I do beg your pardon. You did provide a response to the source question. Let’s see….witness statements, academic papers……hmmm… and then there’s the etc and the problems……

     

    Gulp,

    Drac…..do you believe anything that anyone tells you ?

    #1133964

    The closest to home examples I know of who proclaim themselves as Civic Nationalists are the SNP, Plaid Cymru and Mebyon Kernow ( good ol’ Cornwall!).

    They are most certainly not civic nationalists. They are globalist (internationalist) socialists.

    I hope you find that a necessary evil unless you think that should happen through some sort of organic, thought sharing system that doesn’t involve leadership at all? Nah…i put my hands up. You’re gonna have to help me out on that one?

    I dont have an answer for you, but no, not particularly. I have no preferance for this system.

    For example I would give far more legitimacy to  and faith in the leadership of the Queen than the likes of an “elected” leader such as Tony Blair, David Cameron or Theresa May.

    • This reply was modified 5 months, 1 week ago by  draculina.
    #1133967

    For example I would give far more legitimacy to and faith in the leadership of the Queen than the likes of an “elected” leader such as Tony Blair, David Cameron or Theresa May.

    When did anyone vote to invade Iraq?

    They didn’t, democracy is an illusion. The polical class will always do as they wish regardless.

    #1133968

     

    Aha !!!   I see light at the end of the tunnel. You have some admiration for the Queen. God bless you my dear. I wouldn’t be so bold as to say that makes you a Royalist but I think we do agree she has been a beacon of inspiration in the decades she has been on the throne, in her palaces, and estates. Of course, it is Her Majesty’s Government isn’t it. We (well, I for one) elect the Government and her weekly sitreps makes sure the PM doesn’t stray from the straight and narrow otherwise she would have them over her knee! We can’t elect the Monarch because that is a royal blood/succession thing but we can elect the people we want to do the hand’s on stuff. It’s not perfect but as you say, it’s the best we have. Of course, being an academic, you’ll remember we had a bit of a Civil War to sort all that out – you know, Parliament – treating people as equals – giving them the vote – and then of course the Suffragettes who died fighting to get women the vote.  Most of it, especially human rights stems from the Magna Carta. It’s in my local cathedral. Fascinating read. You’ll know that as well of course. And I won’t bore you with how my Dad fought in the war, a war that came so close to you speaking German.

    So, lets consider ourselves lucky that we were born in a reasonably decent society where we are free to express an opinion and not one such as North Korea or god forbid, Saudi Arabia where your female rights would be a bit restricted.

    Hugs

     

    #1133969

    P.S.

    Blair fucked up Iraq

    That’s his legacy.

    And we’ve been fucking up the Middle East for a century and more.

    Start your movement Drac – let’s get some civic sense going eh?

     

     

    #1134010

    We (well, I for one) elect the Government and her weekly sitreps makes sure the PM doesn’t stray from the straight and narrow otherwise she would have them over her knee!

    That doesn’t happen though, does it?

    The government has been openly violating people’s rights for decades. The scale of their aggression is beyond belief, they have placed the entire country under house arrest. The Queen is silent.

    So, lets consider ourselves lucky that we were born in a reasonably decent society where we are free to express an opinion and not one such as North Korea or god forbid, Saudi Arabia where your female rights would be a bit restricted.

    I’m not sure what world you a living in, people are not allowed to express their opinion. Censorship is the most severe it has ever been in history, probably more than the soviet union achieved.

    If you share your opinion online then you will be banned, and if you are unlucky the progressive commisars will have you fired from your job and arrested for hate crimes. If you share it in real life then you will be screeched at by the progressive footsoldiers, and then arrested for hate crimes if you were silly enough to do it in a public space.

    We are now also starting to see financial institutions, banks and credit lenders (See Deutsche  Bank, Mastercard, Stripe, Patreon, ect for examples) terminating accounts of people that they disagree with.

    :wacko:

    • This reply was modified 5 months, 1 week ago by  draculina.
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